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Old 10-31-2013, 06:41 PM
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The Curb weight of the Solstice base model is 2908 lbs and the GXP is 2996. I wouldn't exactly call that heavy.
The April 2009 Motor Trend has the gxp curb weight at 3054. For a little 4cyl 2 seater I think 3k is porky. The base N/A version is 450-500lbs heavier then a MX-5. The GXP is only a little over 100 pounds lighter than a LS3 Corvette. The vette is 17.5" longer.

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Old 11-01-2013, 07:52 AM
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Looks to me that some prankster could just loosen a couple of those bolts and create a hell of a rattle
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:49 AM
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You are welcome Brian. And I thank you for being level headed and not letting this get into a real pissing match. You calmed me down and that let me see what the real issue was here.
I really would like to help the masses understand the amount of work that goes into just one vehicle design. From concept to production release... There are so many hurdles to overcome during that time frame it is really a wonder that anything gets built. Just the electronics side of a vehicle is such a huge undertaking anymore. With all of the connectivity and computer integration that side of a vehicle design is as huge as the structure.
I know people complain about vehicle costs but, being where I am in the design world, I see so much developmental money and human hours going into a design that people need to realize a modern vehicle is a real bargain.
Besides the technology and fuel savings there is the viable ability to save your live in many accidents that, just ten years ago, no one would have walked away from...
So, to anyone reading this, if you see something you don't understand please, instead of speculating, ask a question. You will more then likely get an answer.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:51 AM
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I got to thinking Mark, looking at this with a zero higher education bodyman brain with that piece on the inside of the rail of that Pontiac could it be that it was used like that so the rail could be made out of thinner, lighter material, with the added aluminum piece maybe the overall weight is less? I can only imagine that literally ounces here and there would add up to a savings to meet the target weight of a component, assy or the complete car.

Could this idea have some validity in the use of this aluminum tube?

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Yes, 2nd paragraph of the 12th post. And yes again on literally ounces "here and there" do add up.
Working in a body shop you know how hard it is to work with the new, thinner steels the car manufacturers use today. Reason being they are using higher "hardness" steels. A higher hardness steel can be thinner and do the same work as a thicker softer steel. Of course the higher tensile strength makes for some incredibly difficult stamping and forming issues. I worked on the rear cradle designs for the Cadillac STS/SRX. We were literally changing steel thicknesses by .1 millimeter (that's about .004 thousands of an inch) and bumping tensile strengths up into the low 50K's to save weight. That's just some of the hoops we jump through.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:20 PM
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Yes, 2nd paragraph of the 12th post. And yes again on literally ounces "here and there" do add up.
Working in a body shop you know how hard it is to work with the new, thinner steels the car manufacturers use today. Reason being they are using higher "hardness" steels. A higher hardness steel can be thinner and do the same work as a thicker softer steel. Of course the higher tensile strength makes for some incredibly difficult stamping and forming issues. I worked on the rear cradle designs for the Cadillac STS/SRX. We were literally changing steel thicknesses by .1 millimeter (that's about .004 thousands of an inch) and bumping tensile strengths up into the low 50K's to save weight. That's just some of the hoops we jump through.
You did explain that back there, I guess I wasn't ready for the teacher when I read that. Yes damn it, that is so interesting, not surprising but interesting about the .1 MM thinner metal used to save weight. Very interesting stuff indeed.

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The April 2009 Motor Trend has the gxp curb weight at 3054. For a little 4cyl 2 seater I think 3k is porky. The base N/A version is 450-500lbs heavier then a MX-5. The GXP is only a little over 100 pounds lighter than a LS3 Corvette. The vette is 17.5" longer.
If you like the Miata more than the Solstice, just say so. I won't hold it against you.

Even weighing more the Solstice is faster by quite a large margin and still gets better mpg.
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And a heck of a lot better looking!


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A Solstice better looking than a what? An Aztec??
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And a heck of a lot better looking!


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A Solstice better looking than a what? An Aztec??
Funny guy lol! Don't quit your daytime job.
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Between THAT inflated balloon cartoon and the Aztec, it'd be a tuff choice
The Saturn Sky version now - that was gorgeous! (esp the Redline edition)
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Between THAT inflated balloon cartoon and the Aztec, it'd be a tuff choice
The Saturn Sky version now - that was gorgeous! (esp the Redline edition)
To each his own I guess. What's it like to have such poor taste?
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Between THAT inflated balloon cartoon and the Aztec, it'd be a tuff choice
The Saturn Sky version now - that was gorgeous! (esp the Redline edition)
The Opel GT wasn't bad either, IMO.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:18 PM
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If you like the Miata more than the Solstice, just say so. I won't hold it against you.

Even weighing more the Solstice is faster by quite a large margin and still gets better mpg.

I don't care for the Miata but it's a good example of how lean a sports car should be. If I had to buy a 2 seat 4cyl I would go for a Honda S2000. I have driven a n/a Solstice and it was fun to toss around. The one thing about the Solstice I never understood was the drag coefficient being one of the worst in automotive history at .44 Bricks are more aerodynamic. That's higher than a Silverado, Ram, F-150.
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The Opel GT wasn't bad either, IMO.
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looks like what a newer Miata should look like.
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