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Old 03-05-2005, 08:28 PM
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Banning Nitrous? WTH!

http://www.chevytalk.org/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1137395&an=0&page=0#1137 395

Anyone else heard of this? Its a true bill, not a hoax.

If this does pass as a law, does that mean no nitrous in street vehicles? What about street/strip vehicle's that drive to the track, they can't have nitrous in the car now?

Seems to me there's already WAY to much government control over us as it is,


Surely this wont pass. Any thoughts?

BTW, this is an Arkansas bill right now, not a U.S. bill. (yet!)

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Old 03-05-2005, 08:31 PM
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It is already a law in California. You can have nitrous in your vehicle as long as it is not armed.
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Where are you in Arkansas?
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It is already a law in California. You can have nitrous in your vehicle as long as it is not armed.
I thought you weren't even allowed to ride around with a filled bottle here, period?
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Old 03-05-2005, 08:39 PM
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How would they check that. Police officers aren't qualified to tell whether there is actually gas in the tank. That shouldn't hold up in court.
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I did a little research and you're correct, it's legal as long as the bottle is securely mounted and the bottle has to be DOT approved, and as long as the valve isn't open on public streets. I was just going by what someone had told me last weekend.. that'll teach me
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I used to work in floor covering years ago. We did a job at a Dentists office. They had the big nitrous tanks. I couldn't figure out how the valving worked. At least safe enough that I felt comfortable using it. D'oh! that would have been fun.

In case anyone reading this doesn't allready know. The dentists' nitrous is a lot different that the automotive type. Don't get any ideas!
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:36 AM
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The Luftwaffe used nitrous on some of their fighters in WWII. They bottles were the size of the large Oxeygen bottles on Oxy/Aceytelene torches. Courtesy of The History Channel,"All Nazi's,All The Time."
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Around the Pocahontas area. Northeast corner.


What really bothers me is they kinda leave it open to interpretation when it says "AND OTHER USES". I dont like it.
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Old 03-07-2005, 10:05 AM
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The difference between automotive nitrous and medical nitrous is that the auto nitrous has sulfur in it to keep people from getting high on it. The medical nitrous will work as well, you just aren't going to be able to buy it. If you try to get high on the automotive nitrous it will make you sick, that's why they can sell it to the public.

You are correct it is illegal in California to "operate" nitrous on public roads. This is something that is not enforced and really not possible to enforce. The only way would be if you were caught out at the street races and they started checking cars.

Can you say "remote bottle valve", it's a silly law. Even if they banned you from having it in your vehicle, how would they prove it? They can't (well it isn't legal) to pull you over just to check what's in your trunk.

Some guys mount the bottle within reach so they can open it when "needed", they can also close it just as easy if the law is stopping them.

Royce

PS What is the big deal about using it on the street anyway? It doesn't make sense to me, what's the harm? I guess here in CA it would create more emissions so I can see why they "try" to ban the use on public roads. I am not a nitrous junkie so it doesn't matter to me. I just hate to see all these silly laws, now if they try to ban blowers we are going to have a serious problem.

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reasonable search clauses.

Having spent 5 years as a police officer, in my distant past, maybe I can be of assistance on this issue, concerning searches of a vehicle.
Should a police officer, in passing, see you with your hood up and notice that you have nitrious plumbing on your street vehicle, he then has the right to inspect your vehicle for the rest of the equipment to go with the nitrious. This is under Federal Court difinitions of open view laws.
Its like having a roach or joint laying in plain view inside your car, or the odor of said smoking product, or for that matter, any possible drug parephenalia. Its called reasonable cause for search.
And no, an officer doesnt have the legal right to just pull you over for a fishing expedition. The only time an officer may do that is if they are pulling all vehicles over in a stretch of road and inspecting all of them for the same item. This, by the way, has been pretty much done away with as the cost to whateer law enforcement agency has proven to not be worth the expenditure, especially for fishing for vehicles with illegal or improperly installed speed parts.
It has proven more effective, however, in getting drunk drivers off the road. which brings up the reasonable search issue again.
Say you get stopped at a roadside check for drunk drivers, and an officer happens to see your nitrious button mounted on your shifter, does that give him the right to check your vehicle for nitrious installation. Yes it does.
Do you have to submit to a search upon his request? No! Can he detain you while getting a search warrent? Yes he can. Is this likely to happen? Only if you are drunk, not wearing your seat belt, and start playing storefront lawyer with him, or act in a beligerant manner.
Since most police officers, as least of my generation, (50's through 70's growing up years) grew up during the heydays of the hot rod culture, have good working knowledge of what are hot rod parts, and this layman knowledge is good enough to stand up in court. However, its not the local police or even the county or state officers that you have to fear on this as much as the bureaucrats working for, as in California, CARB.
Most police officers could care less what you have under your hood as long as you are behaving in thier presence.
As a matter of practicality, its much wiser to go ahead and install your equipment as in accordance with what ever local or state laws are written on the subject. And in other terms, if you cant afford to install it correctly and safely, you shouldnt be playing with such things in the first place.
I personally dont have a thing against NOx other than I dont trust it, but then not having worked with it, I admit my prejudice there.
I do believe that if you read the laws of your area correctly, there isnt any ban on using it, just legal guide lines on how to properly equip your vehicle with said item. I dont know of any state in the union that has laws expressly forbiding modifications to an engine, as long as said engines meet certain polution requirements, and that can limit to a great degree what you can and cannot do to your engine, depending on what equipment is available for your engine, and what parts have been certified for usage on modified engines. You will note that many speed equipment parts now come with certification numbers to correlate with the various state laws. As long as you play in the guidelines, you should have no troubles.
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Max Keith,
While you did make a couple good points I have to disagree with a couple of them.

If an officer looks in the car during a traffic stop and sees a button on the shifter, that doe NOT give him the right to search the car. The button does not have a sign on it that says "this is for nitrous". I have had buttons on my shifter for my line lock. The officer would have no way to know what that button is used for.

Now if he pulled up and you had the trunk open and the bottle in plain site he could then, see if the bottle was armed/open. In my neck of the woods most of the cops don't seem to know much about cars/hot rods. Luckily they don't really hassle the hot rodders too much.

As far as if the hood was open and they "assumed" you had nitrous I still don't think that would give them the right to search your vehicle. You can have the system installed with no bottle. That is like seeing a package of rolling papers on the seat and using that as reasonable cause to search. I don't think that flies either, correct. (I wouldn't know since I don't partake in those activities). Dope is illegal, rolling papers aren't. Nitrous is illegal buttons or solenoids aren't. While th eofficer might be able to convince you of a legal search on the road side I don;t think it would hold up in court.

Like I said the time you would get busted is out at the street races with a lot of cars doing illegal activities at that point they may start searching cars. With a remote bottle valve it still would matter, flip the switch and you are now legal.
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I disagree with camero man on one thing. If your trunk is open and the cop see's a nitrous bottle does this give him the right to see if the bottle is open? Absolutely not!!!!!!! It's completely legal to have the bottle in a car. Thats not reasonable cause. Thats like a police man pulling you over to see if your wearing your seat belt just because that car comes with seat belts. Unless your street racing or pulled over for another violation they shouldnt be able to check just because you have a bottle.

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Not saying they would do this,but if you have a ***** cop,and I just happen to have a Summit Catalog in my front seat,opened to the NOS page and have The Big Shot circled in a Sharpie pen,could he search the car for probable cause? No. I know it is dumb,but the idea that they can search your vehicle at the simple sight of a switch is also dumb. Max Keith know this is nothing aimed at you. You know the rules as you were a police,jsut saying that is how dumb the LAW is,not the men and women who do the job. But in all honesty,if a cop searched my car at the sight of a button,then yeah,they are dumb .Probable cause searches give way to much freedom for a cop to invade your privacy. I am a victim of that law. I was stopped by 5 Louisville Police three years ago,my wife was in the car as were my three children.They circled my car like a wagon train,pulled their service weapons and trained them on me.Ordered me out,and then my family sat there jaws dropped in wonder.Turned out I fit a "description".White male in a T-shirt with a ball cap!!! Searched my vehicle,left crap all over my floor,envelopes,cigarettes out of the pack,newspaper was all unfolded and just left there,glove box just left open. They found nothing,said sorry and left me a mess to clean up. I am bitter over that expierence,but growing up in a family that is close with three police officers iin it I do understand the things they have to endure.Seems they were looking for an armed robber.I was in the South End of town,guess what is everywhere you look? White men in T shirts and ball caps,I pointed out seven or eight to the police when they were searching my car.But that was, as this NOS law is,BS.
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I think if a cop saw a nitrous bottle laying in your trunk he could give you a ticket for another reason. Here in Connecticut all gas cylinders being transported must be in the upright postion and capped. I don't know if nitrous plumbed into a car could fall into that catergory or not but I wouldn't put it past some cops, lol.
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