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[QUOTE=grouch]Care to explain how you come to that conclusion?

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Such involvement may be why your name is in the title of the thread and not mine.

Are you at liberty to give any more information that the article doesn't cover?
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Some more info

From ASA Go here Did a google search on the topic and there is quite a bit if info out there..Seems that most of the work will fall on the manufacturers of paint products and OEM car manufacturees..there are also moves to encourage body shops to use HVLP spray equipment and to use solvent recycling equipment as well as gun cleaning devices..

There are a lot of techinical issues to be resolved before the hobby guy or the small body shop has to concern himself too much about all of this as far as I can see..

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I don't know much about paint so I can't comment about if home painting is in trouble or not. I do know about the federal government and activist groups. They take your rights away slowly. They don't jump in and take rights away all at once because people would never stand for it. Taking away rights in small incriments lead to people complaining but usually not doing anything about it. If you lose something small you think, oh well that's not so bad and it could be a lot worse. Then they wait awhile and take just a little more of your freedoms. Then you say, oh well that's not so bad and it could be a lot worse. By the time you do realize what is going on it is too late to do anything about it. It may take many years but they will meet the final goal of stripping you of any rights that do not meet their agenda.

I will use one topic as an example. SMOKING. I'm citing this only as an example how our freedoms are taken away slowly. This is not to start a seperate discussion. I don't smoke and don't like to smell it either. Everybody knows what is going on with tobacco. It's taking a long time but they're winning the tug of war. A whole lot more people smoke than paint cars in their garages.

Most of us guys with any age on us can look back and see what we have lost through the years.

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not to worry...the DIY'r will order supplies from Canada on the internet (like perscription drugs) and save 30% and not pay sales tax....and he will DIY cause a licensed paint shop price will be out of site

then dump whats left in a sewer or regular garbage to get rid of the evidence cause he can't drop it off at a hazardous waste site

and that's why they been "talkin' bout it" for 20 years......

ain't gov't great! wast 20+ years of tax dollars "researching"....
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Barry,

If all the small and medium shops go away then the paint mfgr's are forced into a bidding war (like your $1m example) for the smaller number of big volume/lower profit accounts...they absolutely don't want that

gee...doesn't that smell like 20+ years of campaign contributions to be sure the law doesn't get written or even defined by now

Yes you make deals with the big boys depending on how much unsold production capacity you have...but the bean counters monitor/adjust that constantly to achieve the annual profit growth goal for the stock holders
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Killer info Barry.... hence you and Senior in the thread title... I am sure he will chime in when he gets back into to town either Sunday or Monday

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If all the small and medium shops go away then the paint mfgr's are forced into a bidding war (like your $1m example) for the smaller number of big volume/lower profit accounts...they absolutely don't want that.
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Greed. I am glad smaller companies are cutting into thier bottom line. Its unbelievable how much material costs have raised. And I used PPG for many years, Dupont at work, but now use some cheaper products to keep costs down a little.
Hopefully the same thing will eventually happen to the oil companies slowly over time when people get fed up. They have been talking about the hobbiest not being able to paint at home for many years, and they haven't stopped it yet. I didn't get a chance to read the article yet, but have heard this before.
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Barry,

it's the big dealership owner not the body shop mgr that decides if the one source "deal" is lower overall cost and adds to HIS profit. (then he makes it a annual bid (for all or nothing) to get the total cost even lower).

the specialty houses are growing because of more inventory turns per year which builds profit dollars.

Agree! the one brand only thru out the job is BS, that's not the same a single source for lower overall cost.

We are digressing way far from the original EPA question...start a new thread in the lounge?
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Old 11-05-2005, 01:00 PM
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Are you guys saying bad words? Is that why the editing by Centerline? Interesting topic. Dan
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Are you guys saying bad words? Is that why the editing by Centerline? Interesting topic. Dan
No not at all. Occasionally the quote function will drop off a "[" or a "/" and all I did was fix it on a couple posts.
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