Before base coat, use of wax & Grease remover - Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Body - Exterior
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2009, 04:36 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: California
Age: 64
Posts: 26
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Before base coat, use of wax & Grease remover

I am getting ready to do a paint job using 2 colors, How long after I apply wax & grease remover can I apply PPG Base?.
Also can I use the wax & grease remover after I have removed tape from the first color, to get rid of any tape adheasive ?
Thanks !!

    Advertisement
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2009, 04:58 PM
302 Z28's Avatar  
Last photo:
Join Date: May 2003
Location: North Texas
Posts: 10,839
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1
Thanked 86 Times in 73 Posts
IT depends on the ambient air temp as to how fast it will evaporate after wiping it off. The key is to wipe it on then with some clean paper towels wipe it dry. DO NOT just wet it down and leave it to evaporate, you will have problems. Wax and grease remover ( if it's PPG brand) will not remove the base if you do not rub it excessively.

Vince
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2009, 05:39 PM
Kevin45's Avatar
Just one of the guys
 

Last journal entry: Garage Toys
Last photo:
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Urbana, Ohio
Age: 58
Posts: 3,060
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1
Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts
Don't use the standard Bounty or home paper towels to wipe it down. Some towels have inks in them for printing and others will leave lint and a residue. They do make a paper towel that you can get in packs from your local jobber for using the wax and grease remover. As far as a time frame. I have shot base anywhere from 15 minutes to a half hour afterwards. Just make sure you tack off the area before you spray your base but after you use the W&G remover to get rid of any possible lint debris.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2009, 07:53 PM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 56
Posts: 13,434
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,570
Thanked 1,324 Times in 1,149 Posts
Here is a little "Basics of Basics" on surface cleaners ("wax and grease remover")

I wrote this a few years ago so the part numbers may have changed but the info for use is still the same.

Click the link.... http://autobodystore.com/ms8.shtml

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 12:46 AM
Registered User
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 13
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Degreasing

I just wanted to ask why you would want to degrease before you apply your base coat? I'm not sure what you are painting but I have found through experience that using a degreaser right before painting always gave me some sort of problem (I use a brand called Tumbler). Usually as Martinsr says this is done before anything is sanded to begin with. Now again through experience I found it best to clear over base before you tape, using something like DBC 500 blending clear seems like the glue on the tape and fresh base coat collide, sometimes I would shoot a coat of 2021 depending on what I was doing, especially with flames as I wanted a good base. Anyways hope this saves you some time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 09:12 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: California
Age: 64
Posts: 26
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks, I am spraying 2 colors and didn't want any (sticky) from the tape to be left behind. I thought I could use wax and grease remover to completely clean the surface after the removal of tape.
Thanks !!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 09:39 AM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 56
Posts: 13,434
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,570
Thanked 1,324 Times in 1,149 Posts
WHOA there Rodder1, you are planning on applying base, then taping and applying more base, then removing tape and clearing? Depending on the base, you MOST CERTAINLY don't want to touch that base with wax and grease unless it is water borne. It WILL attach most bases.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 09:41 AM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 56
Posts: 13,434
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,570
Thanked 1,324 Times in 1,149 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngieM
I just wanted to ask why you would want to degrease before you apply your base coat? I'm not sure what you are painting but I have found through experience that using a degreaser right before painting always gave me some sort of problem (I use a brand called Tumbler). Usually as Martinsr says this is done before anything is sanded to begin with. Now again through experience I found it best to clear over base before you tape, using something like DBC 500 blending clear seems like the glue on the tape and fresh base coat collide, sometimes I would shoot a coat of 2021 depending on what I was doing, especially with flames as I wanted a good base. Anyways hope this saves you some time.
Yes you clean before you sand, but cleaning after you sand and before you base is needed as well. That is where you use a weaker, faster flashing cleaner. If you had problems with it, it was likely because you used a slow flashing or too strong cleaner that stayed behind on the surface and you buried it under the base.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 09:59 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: California
Age: 64
Posts: 26
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I am not shooting Base on Base, I am shooting base on old sanded ppg 2021. I was always taught to keep the surface as clean as you can, I have always in the past painted one color, I was just wondering if I should clean the area where the tape was, or not using wax and grease remover.
Thanks !!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2009, 10:11 AM
MARTINSR's Avatar
Brian Martin,Freelance adviser
 
Last photo:
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: San francisco bay area
Age: 56
Posts: 13,434
Wiki Edits: 0

Thanks: 1,570
Thanked 1,324 Times in 1,149 Posts
If your substrate is the clear, or any other cured film such as the clear then yes use a wax and grease remover. I thought you were asking about cleaning an un-cleared basecoat.

Brian
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Recent Body - Exterior posts with photos

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
what else in in wax and grease remover besides mineral spirits? Dubz Body - Exterior 47 06-19-2010 01:09 PM
Need to know max time between base coat applications. 4g64fiero Body - Exterior 4 08-25-2008 06:03 AM
wax and grease remover confused Body - Exterior 2 12-27-2006 08:57 PM
"Basic of Basics" How do you properly apply filler? Centerline Body - Exterior 2 02-10-2006 01:22 AM
Help please-sanded through base coat fastblueheeler Body - Exterior 11 10-01-2003 08:32 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.