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Old 01-17-2006, 03:58 PM
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Miller does NOT own Hobart! Illinois Tool works, who already owned Miller, bought Hobart in 1995. Part of the deal, due to Federal Trade Commission rules and for reasons known to the corporate money handlers, was that the heavy industrial line which includes machines 250 AMPS and larger was to be sold to a third party. This was sold to Prestolite who then in turn sold all the shares to Thermal Arc who was supposed to market the industrial line under another name or the Hobart name with part of the sales going to ITW(not Miller). For reasons known to them, to date, Thermal Arc has not taken this course and from what I have been told probably never will because of a highly competitive market. Miller and Hobart are still two very separate entities under the same corporate parent and because of this they share some parts on similar models which is good economic practice and is commonly done by many large corporations such as GM and Ford for example. This no more means Miller owns Hobart than Chevy owns Pontiac nor does Hobart own Miller which is what the local welding supply here says is true! This becomes important when someones asks for advice on buying a welder and someone else comes up with that old line that Hobart is Miller's econo-line which is pure nonsense! Both Miller and Hobart build high quality machines and ITW has chosen to aim them at slightly different markets but Hobart is in no way ANYONE'S econo-line! You can buy the Hobart, Lincoln or Miller with equal confidence of quality so let the features you need along with your budget and service availability be the guide to which machine you choose.

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I vote Lincoln as best value for a 110V MIG

I've got a Lincoln Weldpak 3200 (135 amps) that I picked up at Home Depot about a year ago and it has served me well to this point. I have welded 1/4" down to 22 guage with no problems. The welder along with a few rolls of wire and a couple of other trinkets set me back less than $500. I do use shielding gas with it. I don't weld for a living so I did not want to spend a small fortune to get a good welder. I guess it all depends on how much you want to spend.
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bnewsom, I assure you that you DID buy a GOOD welder!
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They're all good companies. If it's something generic or puts your fellow Americans out of work (read: Made In China) stay away from it.

I learned on a Lincoln MIG welder, acetylene cutting is more fun though.
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bnewsom, I assure you that you DID buy a GOOD welder!
I do agree with you and am very pleased with my Lincoln. I guess what I meant to say was " a commercial quality, infinitly adjustable, 100 duty cycle welder"

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bnewsom, That's the thing about it, FEATURES! If someone opts for one of the lower priced models it usually has fewer desirable features such as infinite power or wire speed control. The higher end models also have other things such as heavier transformers and such but if you are only welding for a hobby do you really need to $pend the dollars for this? If someone buys one of the cheap imports they will not only get fewer features but the quality is usually poor and parts are sometimes hard or impossible to get. With one of the big three you can save some money by buying a lower priced model without sacrificing dependability or service even if it does not have all the bells and whistles. It depends on the intended use and even though I have industrial shop welders and two mobile diesel and gas powered machines(for now anyway as I am retiring soon ) I bought a 110 machine to do a particular job that I simply could not get to with the big machines and the portability of the little Lincoln made it perfect for this and it became a very useful tool because it fit the need. Does it really make sense to buy a 250 AMP full featured 100 % duty cycle machine if all someone will do with it is body panels?
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Oldred,

Thanks for the schooling and background history of the companies. I now have an understanding.

That's whats great about this place, all the knowlege one can gain through others experiences.

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OldRed, we are on the same page. I moved up from a cheap import to my Lincoln. The import was so frustrating I gave it away to a friend and apologized to him for him even taking it. The Lincoln does everything I need it to do and if I were to go buy a welder today, it is what I would buy. I hardly ever use my stick welder any more unless I'm doing a lot of heavy work and will be needing to burn a lot of rods.
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