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Old 02-17-2013, 09:09 PM
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ap72,whats wrong with the cart shp castings?

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ap72,whats wrong with the cart shp castings?
Not a thing wrong with the SHP 180 heads. As a matter of fact, the SHP 180 was the head they did the development work on for the platinum upgrade on the Pro 1 heads.

People look at the flow numbers and say "blah". What they forget or don't understand is the ports were developed with wetflow tech which is whole nother ballpark. Not uncommon so see dry flow numbers go down but add a gasoline/air mixture and its a different story.
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How about the Trick Flow 195cc 64cc head. Just putting that out there.
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How about the Trick Flow 195cc 64cc head. Just putting that out there.
Valiant effort steeny, but this thread is almost 2 years old. The OP has more than likely made a decision and moved on.
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And the info regarding the SHP head was smoke and mirrors as well lol, wet flow tech is great, but it means nothing in this instance. Put the SHP180 against an AFR180 or a Profiler180 on a dyno and see where the wetflow testing got you. Technology is only as good as the people wielding it.
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Valiant effort steeny, but this thread is almost 2 years old. The OP has more than likely made a decision and moved on.
HAHAHAHA!! Well......what do you guy's think anyways?
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HAHAHAHA!! Well......what do you guy's think anyways?
Nothing wrong with the TFS heads at all, quality product but unless there has been big changes in the last few years there are better choices for the money IMO, again, I haven't priced them out lately but they used to be right near AFR money, and they were down a bunch on a flow bench from the AFR's. Then you throw Profiler's in the mix and for significantly less money the numbers look even more skewed against the Trick flows.
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:44 PM
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HAHAHAHA!! Well......what do you guy's think anyways?
In 23 degree configuration, the TF heads don't look that good. In 18 degree configuration, yeah, cosmic flow.
My current favorites are the Pro-Filer 23 degree aluminum heads in 185cc intake runners for a 355 and 195cc intake runners for a 383.
A 383 with 195 heads, ~10.0:1 static compression ratio, high-rise, dual-plane intake such as an Edelbrock Performer RPM or Weiand 8150, 750/850 carb, 1 3/4" long-tube headers and a 225-230 camshaft will produce 500 hp/500 ft/lbs.

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And the info regarding the SHP head was smoke and mirrors as well lol, wet flow tech is great, but it means nothing in this instance. Put the SHP180 against an AFR180 or a Profiler180 on a dyno and see where the wetflow testing got you. Technology is only as good as the people wielding it.
Buddy, I'm not getting into a **** measuring contest with you. I can post the results of where the DART SHP 200 head beat your vaunted Profiler heads in a dyno test. You can do the research yourself (hint, nasty z28). I really don't want to hear about CNC ported heads vs as cast heads either from an AFR fan boy. Ahhh, what the heck. You ever hear of a guy named Shariroff? Here's a nice little engine making over 400 hp with 9.2:1 CR running on 87 octane cat pee. 350 RealStreet Small Block Chevrolet Crate Engine Yeah, crappy head. Put any head of the same price and you'll be around the same power give or take 5 hp. At least you know with Dart you're getting a quality head that will just plain work.

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Buddy, I'm not getting into a **** measuring contest with you. I can post the results of where the DART SHP 200 head beat your vaunted Profiler heads in a dyno test. You can do the research yourself (hint, nasty z28). I really don't want to hear about CNC ported heads vs as cast heads either from an AFR fan boy. Now I remember why this site was taken off of my favorite list.
Lmao, continue on your "ignore list" then genious....calling me an AFR fan boy is about as dumb as eating mud.....I'm the LAST guy to reccomend and AFR head for your average street/strip guy as IMO their cost isn't justified....but they do make a damn fine product regardless of cost.
As for your Dart heads, dart makes an excellent product, never said they didn't, but you jumped Into a 2 year old thread to argue about the SHP180's.... as this thread wasn't active itlooks like your simply cruising the net to find arguments or comparisons on your Dart's and up this one came lol. And again, the SHP 180 was direct competition for entry level alum heads when they came out, think patriot (now promaxx) or pro comp etc, that's what the SHP180 was up against and never intended to be an alternative to an AFR or Profiler offering....sheesh.... a little sensitive there new guy....relax a bit, its Christmas and this is the ultimate "first world problems" lol....
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sorry. but not so new. went away for a while and came back. total posts are probably double yours. I just started looking thru the topics and saw your opinions. You know what they say about those. The Dart SHP 180 head's intake port flows the same as the 200's port because they used that head to develop the platinum design changes. Fantastic head for the money. but that's just a professional head porter and engine builder talking. Where did you say your shop was?

BTW, genius, the thread was active which kind of explains why it was at the top of the engine forum when I logged in. Carry on.
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sorry. but not so new. went away for a while and came back. total posts are probably double yours. I just started looking thru the topics and saw your opinions. You know what they say about those. The Dart SHP 180 head's intake port flows the same as the 200's port because they used that head to develop the platinum design changes. Fantastic head for the money. but that's just a professional head porter and engine builder talking. Where did you say your shop was?

BTW, genius, the thread was active which kind of explains why it was at the top of the engine forum when I logged in. Carry on.
Lol....like you said, its just an opinion.... you have yours, then there's the right one. Its no sweat of my balls which head you use or recomend.
The numbers dont lie.... nor do some of the best in the business
Chad Speier - Profiler
Eric Weingartner - Pro filer
Darrin Morgin, I'm fairly certain that ones a no brainer....
Here your numbers, (hint, nastyz28)
Pro filer 185 flow data
185cc with 2.02 Valves
.200 135 110
.300 201 145
.400 245 180
.500 265 206
.600 270 213
Dart SHP 180 flow numbers
180ccLift INT EX
.200 139 114
.300 190 145
.400 218 164
.500 222 172
.600 218 174
Again....a fairly dumb argument....
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You ever hear of a guy named Shariroff?
No, actually we haven't heard of anyone by that name. If you're going to sling famous engine builder's names around, the least you could do is get the spelling correct.
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You're no better than these ignorant weenies who call Edelbrock, Elderbrock.
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throwing names around,,,Scott and Jeff both use their CNC machines on heads they buy at very good prices(somehow) and sell crate engines that do exactly what they claim. A racer friend from Calgary biught an engine from Scott for a sportsman class and the engine never failed and performed well. When John freshened his race car engine he saw some of the tricks that made the power.I assure you the heads did not come out of a box and get directly bolted to any engines,they get a few minor improvements that work.You cannot duplicate their engines or power levels just by bolting same parts together
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Well, I guess we can agree on one thing. Eric Weingartner is the head porter that confirmed what Dart had said about the SHP180 head. Toodles
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