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Old 03-07-2006, 04:37 PM
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Best HVLP gun!

Hello everyone! I am a new memeber and can not believe what I have been missing! I got a question for all those that paint with HVLP! I am looking to buy a HVLP gun and don't know which to buy! I have between $200 and $400 to spend (she is letting me) I plan to buy one within a week! I want the best gun for atomizing high solids clear! (PPG) If a $200 gun is as good as a $400.00 gun then what is it? If a $400.00 gun is the best, then what is it? Catch my drift!

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Old 03-07-2006, 06:51 PM
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First of all, welcome. Secoundly, this is a subject brought up often. Do a seach for HVLP and you'll get many threads (my seach found 200 threads that included HVLP) with many different opinions.
Then the choice is yours, from HF to SATA and more.

Take some time, do some research on the board and PM some folks that are using a gun that looks interesting to you.

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Old 03-07-2006, 07:19 PM
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I agree,its kind of a loaded question... just like some guys are die hard ford , and some die hard Chevy rust buckets.. Oh did I say that out loud... Like a rock Chevy erodes away Ok get my drift??
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Old 03-07-2006, 07:37 PM
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Welcome !

I think you need to be looking at a compliant gun as opposed to a hvlp type.
A compliant gun can be configured the same as a hvlp gun, but typically offers better atomization. HVLP in a nut-shell is a mandate that dictates
a 10psi cap pressure and 65% transfer efficiency with a maximum inlet
air pressure of 29psi typically.

Lots of different people get very passionate about the Best Gun. The reality
is even if you have the "best" gun, it is no guarantee that you can utilize it
to its best potential. The variable in the equation is "You" so it takes time to
build experience.

Since you mentioned your going to use it for high solids clear, One of the
best guns on the market, perhaps the best period would be the GFG-670
Plus gun from devilbiss. It also dose a excellent job for base coat and
single stage paint too, so you are not limited to just using it for clear coating.

The big contenders in the game would be Devilbiss, Sharpe, Sata, Iwata.

For the money and performance the gfg-670 can produce It cant be beat.

Before you go get a gun though, make sure you have a decent compressor
and air filtration system for the gun and as others suggested feel free to
search the forum for advice on the guns available. Also you need to have
proper protection for yourself, i.e a good mask as spraying paint or clear
can be harmful.

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Old 03-07-2006, 08:09 PM
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Look out BondoKing, your treading on turf close to my heart now. LOL, Quess what I Found On Road Dead the other day? I had to jump him off with my Chevy. Of course he said he had to Fix it Or Repair it Daily.

I'm just screwing with you BondoKing.

I have found and learned through asking questions, it's the ability to atomize the paint that makes a good gun. But, most any gun will work if you practise enough with it. I just depends on what you are going to use it for.

I just ordered a DeVilbiss Finishline 3 and can't wait to see how much better it is than the guns I've been using.

But it's like someone on here said, Practise, Practise, Practise.
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Old 03-07-2006, 08:45 PM
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Thanks for the induction fellas! Like being in a club again!

Was that your Mopar I dusted yesterday? Now that I think about it, wasn't it pulling a ford rust-stang! Hahah! My family is full of car guys, every brand represented! We rib each other for hours! I really like them all! Cars that it is! Getting back to the conversion HVLP guns! Fellas my head is throbbing from too much input! So that is why I came to you folks! A little background, years past I have painted several cars with the old high pressure guns and had great results! I even won a few awards at local cruise-in's! A year ago I bought a cheap HVLP conversion gun. I can lay primers and base coats with the best of them but this gun will not atomize high solids clears! I have tried 1.3mm, 1.4mm, 1.5mm and 1.7mm air cap/ nozzle/ needle combos, I have tried different thinning mixtures and I have tried changing my techniques! All to no differences! Here is the spill, I can physically see the paint atomization is too large! It goes on like beads! If I can get a gun that atomizes right, I can master the other stuff in time! Iwata, Sata, Binks, Devilbiss and Sharpe all claim to make guns that have the best atomization of clears! I want to pick one that is sure to do it!
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:27 PM
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Are you dead set on name brand?

How about two Astros, one for base, one for clear, they make a darn Sata copy.
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Old 03-07-2006, 09:56 PM
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Best clear gun is the Devil GFG-670, It was designed with that purpose in mind

Here is a link to their site.

http://www.autorefinishdevilbiss.com/main.php?p=g&id=1

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One thing to consider is do you have enough compressor to run an HVLP? AL
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compressor

My compressor is an old bodyshop 5 hp unit, that has twin 35 gal tanks in series! All pipe and line fittings are 1/2" size! My line to the gun is also 1/2". Is this enough?
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Buy an Iwata LPH-400LV and be done, best gun for atomizing HS clears IMO.
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Probably enough compressor. See if it (the compressor) has a cfm rating on the tag and then you can compare that to the CFM of the gun you decide to buy. Only reason I mention it is because HVLP's are air hogs.
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Old 03-08-2006, 05:47 AM
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badbob's telling you the truth. the iwata is the most amazing gun i've ever used in the 40 years i've been painting.
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You will get lots of opinions. I like having dedicated guns rather than a single gun that does it all (havent tried a 007 yet). I have two LPH 100's and a W400 Iwata. They are all nice guns. I use the 100's for smaller jobs like scooters for example. They have side mounted cups which you can posistion while you are spraying. This is handy for getting into nooks and crannies, like on a frame or the bottom of tanks. The Sata mini jet is also good for scooters, especially things like fades and ghost flames. For the bigger jobs my gun of choice for clear coats is still my Devilbiss GFG with 1.4 tip. I have to say I prefer RP's to HVLPs because I just seem to produce a better finish consistantly with the RP's. I have an Astro DH9, I think it is, with 1.9 tip for primer and as someone mentioned earlier, this is a nice performing high quality Sata knock off. Astro also makes an Iwata LPH knock off, never tried one but you can get both of these for under a hundred bucks at Spray Gun World. There are also spare parts available and nozzle kits for the Astro's.
Another option may be to let your local jobber know you are interested in buying a high quality gun and he might let you take one for a test ride. AL
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Camero, Just a note about that compressor, HP and tanks don't mean much since that "5" HP (peak rating?) motor can be as small as 1 1/2 HP and why does it have two tanks? Was the second one added in an attempt to get more air?(won't work) If you don't have enough air the best gun in the world will not work right no matter what you pay for it. You need to find the CFM rating on that compressor since that is the only thing that will determine whether or not it is adequate. I would think 12 CFM would be the minimum you could get by with and that is probably too low and if that compressor came from the factory with one 35 gallon tank OR a "peak" rating of 5 HP it most likely is only a fraction of that.

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