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Old 04-01-2004, 12:38 PM
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Best oil filter

Anybody seen tests on who makes the best oil filter? I've heard that certain filter companies spend more money on advertising than they do on filter quality. Does it really matter since most engines have filter by-pass valves? Any inputs?

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This topic has been posted before and I remember one guy saying mobil1 filters were the best then comes purolater and fram filters were junk. What was interesting about his comment is that Puraltor makes filters for mobil1, same plant, same assembly line, only the painting is different. Same as with Fram, they make filters for quaker state. I think most people go by what they read and 99% is probably sales mumbo-jumbo to make other products look bad. It's hard to compare when all the companys use different micron ratings, and standards. Some are based on single pass, double pass, ect, ect... Im not an expert by any means in this subject but I have attended a few seminars on oil and filters in the past. I have also done my own minor testing, with the filters ph30, 8a, and also the 4316 which i think is a mopar filter, its been a few years so the part number may be wrong. Anyhow from what I have seen the Fram filters have thicker media, and thicker metal cans. Overall with simple inspect of a fram and purolator the fram filter would seem as a better product.
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HEY BF: Believe it or not the best place to buy filters is from the factory authorized dealers parts dept. The manufacturers have quality and design specification that filters much achieve. When they don't pass they go in boxes destine for Wal Mart type stores with no criteria other than price...DAVE
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If you have some extra money and time go buy a Fram filter from a first rate parts store, and the same number filter from a discount parts store, and then just for giggles another one from K Mart. Now take them home and cut them open and see what you find, remember they are all the same number right? Now when you discover that you have three different filters with the identical number remember that Wix and Baldwin will not make a 99 cent filter just for K Marts big weekend sale.
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Always a good read. I personally use Napa or GM Duraguard.
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DITTO with Mark. The site has some very good reading and understanding oil filters.
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Hi George. Yep, the GM Duraguard is an excellent filter. You can buy a case of em on eBay for under $30!! Not bad considering what the dealer sells em for.
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I will do this test myself. I can't believe they would make different quality filters with the same part number and packaging. I would think they could get sued for that.

If I have time I will do it this weekend.

Now I know different brands have different quality filters but, you are saying the same filter just from different stores?

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Old 04-01-2004, 06:23 PM
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I"ve heard of numerous reports of bootleg Frams, but not heard of different quality depending on the store. But nothing surprises me anymore.
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Nice reading Jmark. If you take your time to read through not just that page but his summary page as well it seams that quite a few filters are very similar with small differences. Funny I've always ran a Motorcraft FL1A in my Mustang because it's a Ford and I always got the filters at the dealership I used to work at. He actually gave the Motorcraft a pretty good write-up saying it's basically a Purolator Pure One filter cartridge in it. I've also been using the Fram Tough Guard filter for years which he also gave a good write-up on. Amazing the difference between the Tough Guard filter and the regular filter (Extra Guard) for only a $2.00 difference. The only filter he posted results for that really looked significantly different/better is the Mobil 1 which boasts a full synthetic media for improved filtration but I am surprised it does not utilize a silicone Anti-Drainback valve. After reading all that I will probably continue to use a Motorcraft in my Mustang and Tough Guards in my daily junkers like I've been doing all along.

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Every test I've seen said that Fram was junk.

I use Bosch or NAPA. Dana makes STP and NAPA filters.
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Every test I've seen said that Fram was junk.
Wow, that's pretty informative. Especially since they make three different grades of filters constructed differently. Every article I've ever read said Chevy's suck. Maybe I should stop reading all these darn Ford magazines.


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Wow, that's pretty informative. Especially since they make three different grades of filters constructed differently. Every article I've ever read said Chevy's suck. Maybe I should stop reading all these darn Ford magazines.



I've seen three tests of oil filters and all said Fram had problems, not that they are worthless, but however, that there are better filters out there.
And why would you want to buy from a company that markets lesser quality filters when they market one that is better?

I don't really understand how you can pick on me for stating what some tests said, tests that I had NOTHING to do with.

And yeah I like a bow tie on my ride, but I probably know better than you how much crap GM has made. But to each his own.

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That site hardly contains what I would consider scientific information regarding the performance of the oil filters "tested". I didn't see one single test relating to; efficiency, can burst strength, flow rates, actual drain back performance etc. etc. etc.

Comparing oil filters by looking at the internals without doing any real life tests is about as meaningful as testing cars by sitting in them and hearing them idle and then announcing that one car is faster than the others by the sound coming from the mufflers. Not to mention the "study" is 4 years old now. I think this quote says it all;

"While my infamous "two eyes and common sense" approach may not be the most scientific, it is the best I could do considering there was no personal return on the investment of time and money I put into it."

Ah yes, if anyone here is buying oil filters by the results given in that test I have some really nice water front property for sale you might be interested in. I have been cutting oil filters open for the last 10 years and if you want my "scientific two eyes and common sense" opinion there is virtually no difference between oil filter brands other than the number of pleats contained inside. From what I have seen all of them use the same paper too.

Paint the can yellow and stencil Japanese characters on the exterior, it will be faster.
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