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View Poll Results: Best V-8?
Chevy Big Block 52 11.13%
Chevy Small Block 245 52.46%
Chyrsler "B" Big Block 400 1 0.21%
Chyrsler "LA" Small Block 340-360 12 2.57%
Chyrsler "RB" Hemi 426 52 11.13%
Ford Big Block 429-460 11 2.36%
Olds Rocket 18 3.85%
Ford "FE" 390-427 or Cleveland 351, specify in post 28 6.00%
Ford "Windsor" 351 and for arguments sake 302 28 6.00%
Pontiac 350-400 20 4.28%
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this is a loaded question andI'm a ford guy........in the early 60's the 421 pontiac super duty,after that the 427 sohc ford,then the 426 hemi, the boss 429 was next,the chevy zl-1 was awsome. In the lmid 70'sm the 455 superduty rocked, in the 80's and 90's the 5.0 was king, now the moodular ford is a great design but the Ls1 chev is one of the best OHV engines ever made and getting better and the new 5.7 hemi......awsome. In ythe last 30 yrs the best big block was the hemi, the most advanced big block was the 427 sohc, the best samll block chev was the 327,the best sm blk mopar was the 340,the best small block ford was the boss 351.

reliability wise and bore/stroke and rod to stroke ratio small blocks go to the 289 ford and 283 chevy, big block wise I would say the pontiac/olds/buick 455's.

in the last 5 yrs OHV wise I'd say the gen 3 chev is the best and the hemi is equal or better. But being the ford man I am the sohc ,three valve and dohc ford tiny engines are it. The europeans have used this design for decades, when chevy makes a OHC v8 then we better look again.

I'd say even as a true blue ford guy, the gen3 SBC is as good as it gets in a OHV engine, finally they figured out how to beat a 5.0

you cant compare, old technology to new. why not do a poll by years or decades as no early engine will compare to modern tech cube for cube.

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my vote is for big block fords the 428 cj
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My choice for best engine is the LT-5

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Originally Posted by htwheelz67
The europeans have used this design for decades, when chevy makes a OHC v8 then we better look again.
Specifications for LT-5- ZR-1 Engine
1990-1992 1993-1995
GENERAL
SAE Net Power 375 hp @ 6,000 rpm 405 hp @ 5,800 rpm
SAE Net Torque 370 ft lbs @ 4,800 rpm 385 ft lbs @ 4,800 rpm
Bore/Stroke 99 x 93 mm (3.90 in. x 3.66 in.) Carryover
Bore/Stroke Ratio 1.07:1 Carryover
Compression Ratio 11:1 Carryover
Displacement 349 cu in, 5727 cc Carryover
Firing Order 1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 Carryover
Redline 7200 rpm Carryover
ACCESSORY DRIVE
Type Single poly "V" belt Carryover
Supplier Dayco Carryover
ALTERNATOR
Idle Output 50 amps Carryover
Max Output 120 amps Carryover
Supplier Delco Carryover
CAMSHAFT DRIVE
Description Primary drive-silent chain- Secondary drive-duplex roller chain Carryover
Supplier Borg Warner Carryover
CAMSHAFTS/ 4-( double overhead cams)
Material Alloy cast iron Carryover
Base Circle 32.8 mm (1.291 in.) Carryover
Lobe Lift 9.9 mm (0.39 in.) Carryover
Supplier GM Bay City GM Bay City (design changes, 1993-95)
CHAIN TENSIONERS
Description Hydraulic Carryover
Supplier INA Carryover
COOLING SYSTEM
Type Pressurized Carryover
CONNECTING ROD
Material Forged steel Carryover
Length (CTR distance) 145.8 mm (5.74 in.) Carryover
Supplier Albon Engineering Albon Engineering (rods lightened, 1993-95)
CRANKCASE
Material Aluminum, with cast-in nodular cast iron bearing inserts Carryover
Description Ladder frame 2-bolt fastening per bearing panel Ladder frame 4-bolt fastening per bearing panel
CRANKSHAFT
Material Nitrided Carryover
Counterweights 6 Carryover
Crankpin Journal 53.33 mm (2.10 in.) Carryover
Crankpin Splay None Carryover
Thrust Position Bearing No. 3 Carryover
Main Journal Diameter 70.00 mm (2.76 in.) Carryover
Supplier Shardlow Carryover
CYLINDER CASE
Material Aluminum casting Carryover
Descriptions Open deck 2-bolt fastening per bearing panel Open deck 4-bolt fastening per bearing panel
Bore Spacing 111.76 mm (4.40 in.) Carryover
Deck Height 229.24 mm (9.03 in.) Carryover
Supplier Dennison Foundry GM Bedford
CYLINDER HEAD
Material Aluminum Carryover
Description Cross flow, fast burn, pent roof combustion chamber Carryover
Combustion Chamber Volume 40 cc Carryover
Gasket Composition (Goetze) Carryover
Supplier Birmal 1995 1/2 model year-A.L. Dunn (design changes 1993-95)
CYLINDER LINER
Material Forged aluminum Nikasil coated Carryover
Supplier Mahle Carryover
EXHAUST VALVE
Material VMS-478 Seat:VMS-590 Chrome flashed VMS-478 Seat:VMS-637 Chrome flashed
Overall Length 103.47 mm (4.07 in.) 102.97 mm (4.05 in.)
Head Diameter 35.2 mm (1.39 in.) Carryover
Angle Seat/Face 44 degree/45 degree Carryover
Stem Diameter 7.96 mm (0.314 in.) Carryover
Valve Angle 12 degree Carryover
Valve Seat Diameter 33 mm (1.30 in.) gauge diameter Carryover
Lift 9.9 mm (0.39 in.) Carryover
Supplier TRW Carryover
FLYWHEEL
Material Cast iron Carryover
Description Dual mass Carryover
Supplier LUK Carryover
FUEL RAIL
Material Extruded aluminum-multech injectors Extruded aluminum-multech injectors (commonized injectors, 1993-95)
Supplier AC Rochester Carryover
IGNITION COILS
Description Four-direct fire Carryover
Supplier Delco Carryover
INJECTOR HOUSINGS
Material Aluminum Carryover
Supplier Dennison Stahl (minor design change, 1993-95)
INLET VALVES
Material VMS-648 Flash chrome Carryover
Overall Length 103.17 mm (4.06 in.) 102.67 mm (4.04 in.)
Head Diameter 39 mm (1.54 in.) Carryover
Angle Seat/Face 44 degree/45 degree Carryover
Stem Diameter 7.96 mm (0.314 in.) Carryover
Valve Angle 10 degree Carryover
Valve Seat Diameter 37.2 mm (1.46 in.) gauge diameter Carryover
Lift 9.9 mm Carryover
Supplier TRW Carryover
LUBRICATION SYSTEM
Type Full flow. Temp regulated Carryover
Main and Con Rod Bearings Direct feed through center crank via cross drillings Carryover
Cam Bearings Forced through center cam Carryover
Piston Pins Splash Carryover
Cylinder Walls Splash Carryover
Total Capacity 12 1/2 qts Carryover
MAIN BEARINGS
Material Lead-indium overlay Carryover
Description Cast leaded bronze steel-backed Carryover
Supplier Vandervell Carryover
OIL PAN
Material Aluminum Carryover
Capacity 9.6 qts. Carryover
Supplier Stahl Specialty Stahl Specialty (design changed, 1993-95 model years)
OIL PUMP
Type Duo-centric-crankshaft driven Carryover
Pressure 50-60 psi Carryover
Temp Regulation Thermostat-Open-95 degree C Fully open-130 degree C Carryover
Capacity Idle-1.6 gpm 7,000 rpm-9.1 gpm Carryover
Supplier Presta SHW (minor design change, 1993-95 model years)
PISTON
Material Aluminum-cast Carryover
Description Expansion control-spherical bowl Carryover
Compression Height 36.5 mm (1.44 in.) Carryover
Supplier Mahle Mahle (piston strengthened, 1993-95)
PISTON PIN
Material Steel Carryover
Description Free Floating Carryover
Supplier Mahle Mahle (design revised, 1993-95)
PISTON RINGS
Top Compression Barrel-cast iron Plated-cast iron
Middle Compression Taper-cast iron Lapped-cast iron
Oil Control Cast iron-internal spring Lapped-cast iron-internal spring
Supplier Mahle (Goetze) Mahle (Goetze) (design revised, 1993-95)
PLENUM
Material Aluminum Carryover
Supplier Stahl Specialty Stahl Specialty (design changed, 1993-95 model years)
POWER STEERING PUMP
Type Engine mounted-reservoir Carryover
Supplier Saginaw Carryover
RADIATOR
Core Thickness 1.34 in. Carryover
Frontal Area 405 sq. in. Carryover
Radiator Cap 17 psi. Carryover
Thermostat Open 180 degree F Carryover
Fully Open 195 degree - 200 degree F Carryover
STARTER MOTOR
Type Gear reduction Carryover
Output 1.4 Kw Carryover
Supplier Delco Carryover
VALVE LIFTERS
Material Alloy cast iron Carryover
Type Hydraulic Carryover
Supplier AC Rochester Carryover
VALVE SPRINGS
Type Inner & outer opposed winding Carryover
Load-Closed 160-313 N (36-70 lbs.) Carryover
Load-Open 350-696 N (78-157 lbs.) Carryover
Supplier Tempered Spring Carryover
VALVE TRAIN
Description Direct acting Double overhead cam Carryover
WATER PUMP
Type Centifugal Carryover
Capacity 12 gpm @ idle 85 gpm @ 7,000 rpm Carryover
Supplier Ace (Casting) Carryover

Note: All specifications are from pg. 182-185, "Heart of the Beast; History of the LT5 V-8 and ZR-1 Corvette" by Anthony Young, Copyright 1994, Automobile Quarterly, Inc
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How about none of them.

As far as racing, by the time you build any motor to run into the 9's or 8's or even 10's for that matter its all after market products. Infact I bet my ford motor is closer to being the same as your chevy motor then we both are to being original factory. My ford motor has 1 original part, the motor mounts.

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I'm like others that have posted in this thread. Best for what? I have driven a few million miles on many different vehicles and I always say I have no brand loyalty. Two motors let me down before the 100,000 mile mark and they happened to be the same year built and for the same problem. I had a 68 Cougar that the timing chain jumped a couple of teeth cruising at about 65 and the car had just under 70,000 miles (1973) My 68 Bronco's little 289 jumped several teeth and bent every valve at 97,000 miles. I traded the Cougar and rebuilt the 289. The Bronco now has 220,000 miles and still purring away (123,000 miles on the rebuild). I replaced the Cougar with a 69 Olds Cutlas with a Rocket 350 and it was probably the most maintainance free motor I have owned. Another great one was a 400 Chrysler in a 75 Cordoba. Yeah, a smog king but really a great motor with only an alternator and 5 min change water pump in 190,000 miles.

Not a choice in the poll, but should be and is being looked at by many rodders is the Cadi Northstar. Talk about sneaky strong, quiet and smooth but great fuel economy!!!! You really don't want to mess with Granny in her Eldo ETC or Seville STC unless you are not way above stock in your pushrod driven/carbed fed hotrod!!! My wife drives a Cashmere Colored Eldo and she has a lead foot. Be forwarned.

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I'm a Ford guy, been that way for over 40 years. But, I believe the best engine from the factory, by design and as it was produced is the 392 Hemi. It's geometry is so enduring that most of the Top Fuel engines built( aluminum block ones) were designed using the original 392 geometry. They were also probably the most efficient, powerwise, right out of the box.... Damn, do any of you guys want a nice 392 Hemi?LOL
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What about the 426 Hemi DOHC that is sitting in a museum right now...that would have been impressive in its time.
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best v-8

I love my 1993 maroon Eldorado northstar ETC. My wife has a lead foot too, and that car can really get up and go. I think a 32 valve northstar motor would be a great hotrod motor. I've had really good luck with it. Not a single drop of oil on the garage floor after 12 years and 88,000 miles. I wish I could say that about my 2 Corvettes-a 69 and an 84.
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I love ours. It'll beat most of the cars around here. Nothing like the look on a ricers face when a DeVille just walks away from them


Ever hear of Cadillac Hotrod Fabrication??
Here's one of there dune buggys (Northstar powered)


And this one makes around 1000h.p.
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All I can say is "GM's got it goin' on"! Beautiful twin turboed, quad camed aluminum headed chromed out GM powerplant!
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I'm not saying they're the best ever but come on, to not even include buick is just wrong. Even when I was building Chevies I knew that the 455 Buick was not to be taken lightly.
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What abot the Flathead?

Long live the flathead, and yes where is buick in all this i got a 66lesabre with a 340ci other wise none as a 350wildcat if i had to chose two motors these would be it.
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p.s. don't mess with a Buick455 370hp 510lbs of TQ
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Buick, no doubt. Sorry guys, there were only 10 slots.
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Hello,

I think the best all around motor is the SBC 327. Great performance, good MPG, and realiable. Can't beat it!!
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1951 - 53 Chrysler hemi. Set the design standard for the compact V8 still in use today, quality construction throughout with high nickle iron castings, hardened exhaust valve seat inserts, dual valve springs, full flow oil filter, dual point distributor, forged steel crank & rods, (all features rarely seen individually in a standard production engine singly, let alone all together) can be built to put out world class horsepower even 50 years after it debuted, and preceded Chevy's first 'landmark' V8 by half a decade.
Actually Ed Cole set the design for the slipper piston engine in 49 with the Olds Rocket and the Caddy, then went on to refine it to the sbc. I don't think the Hemi got much press until the 1955 300. Not to argue the accolades of the early Hemi, just the historical signifigance.

As far as production engines go, the side oiler 427 Ford would have to be my vote. Ford lost money on every one they built. What other engine could consistently hold up to 24 hours of running 7 grand. How many Chevys could even finish a 500 mile race back in the 60s?The mopars did take them in the Super Stock wars but more because of a superior automatic tranny.
For a great all around engine the 283 is right at the top of my list. I never owned a bad Olds, tough as nails and tons of torque. My favorite engine I have ever owned would have to be the 66 442 short stroke 400. It made my SS396 look like it was tied to a tree.
Second would be Ford 300-6 and third, Chev 283.
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