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Old 01-17-2006, 03:39 PM
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With my Camaro nose being so long I had to remove a front wheel and do it from the side.With the wheel removed and the car on a small axle stand the hoist went in easy.Make sure the trans if left in the car is fixed in itīs proper place and the converter pushed well on.
Nasty part is when the motor is up high to get it over the, in my case fender, and into the engine bay.
Cussing is optional but inevitable.

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All I'm saying is I've found it a lot easier to assemble the transmission out of the car .as long as the car is up on stands {4} & you have a heavy duty engine hoist the swing isn't too bad
IMHO
Ive found it extremely hard to line up the trans after the motor is in.

Its a personal preference & entirely up to you try it both ways see which way you like.

which ever way Be careful & take your time !!

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Tombo,

I'm definitely a member of the "all at once" faction--get four jack stands and raise the entire car as high as you can. I bought a carb plate that bolts right onto the intake in place of the carb. With this setup I was able to install the combined engine/tranny unit into an '83 Regal in one hour flat without any help (and this includes bolting in the frame and tranny mount). I've done it both ways and once you get the hang of the "all at once" method you will never go back.

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tombo 615 you got me thinking

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so I posted a poll so far its 50/50

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Remove & Install with or without transmission on {typical RWD V-8?}

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I prefer the all-together method by a long shot. Here's a pic of the engine tilter/load leveler that makes it so much easier either way:



and here's the link to it: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=42356

If you use one of these, be sure you grease up the threads real good before you start. It makes it easier to turn the crank, and the threads will be less likely to strip.
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Hey Rob,

I recall another of your posts on tool inventory, and every time I see all the stuff you've got I get "tool envy".

Man, you could make a good living in the rental biz!

Have you ever thought of opening a "rent-a-bay" kind of operation, where DIY-ers could fix their cars on a weekend?

P.S. on the "all-at-once" thing.
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The last time I tried it ... taking the engine and trans OUT of my 79 C20 "donor" ... I was working alone and had a heck of a time. I couldn't lift the whole thing high enough to clear the rad support, and I coundn't "grunt" the tailshaft while someone else pulled the crane back.

I considered "chickening" and removing the trans from the engine, but quickly realized that I was "committed" as I would have no way of lifting the tailshaft back onto the cross-member.

So out came the die-grinder with a cut-off wheel ... and I "butchered" the rad support. See my project journal for all the gory details.

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haha, always good to see i spark a good questionable debate
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66 yea I thought about the rental thing ..ONCE
I really considered a tool jobber but id never let anyone on the truck it would have to be mail order

I have developed a Bid time mistrust from the stuff Ive had stolen & destroyed so now I have a strict rule of this is one word now maybe I'll get into Websters.

absof*ckinglutlynotollsloaned!!
I 've been working toward one thong for as long as I can remember that is to work on cars & trucks & stuff..even back in the "hot wheels days thats all I every wanted to do but I made 2 mistakes 1 I didn't learn computer 's & 2 I didn't learn to take care of my heath ,

And I'm so close to being able to do this but I dont have a shop I have a 1/2 dozen projects just sitting here roting{literally}& I refuse to work out doors with NO roof so I'm just wasting time waiting its very frustrating & for the last couple of years Ive been faced with having to sell them off to survive to add to the torture so while it seems all is well its not too good but thanks for the compliment its my lifetimes worth of work.

Yea I have a tool addiction but they have all paid for themselves & I do have some cool stuff that makes it a lot easier to do this type of work
My premise is "if you busting your arse then their must be a tool that makes it easier" Only the best will do"

The way I judge Myself & other mechanics is by looking @ their hands if their all cut up then somethings wrong ..very wrong

now if I could win the lotto or have a rich relative kick off & leave me $100.000. I could move on

Sorry to high jack your thread tombo615

I have a rare 71 LeMans its a Swiss edition

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66GMC has a clue!
Working by yourself it's best to put the trans and engine in separately. It's a bit tough to manuver an auto trans on a floor jack, but easier than trying to manuever a long engine and trans by yourself into the engine bay without banging something up or poking the trans through the windshield. I haven't seen the latter done, but I have seen a windshield cracked with a trans.

Have you ever put an engine and trans in the way the factory does? If so, you'll know it's super easy! The problem is you need a lift or a partially disassembled engine, and the front suspension needs to be apart. If you're completely disassembling for a resto try it, you'll like it! For a simple engine R&R it might be a bit much, especially something on a subframe like a Camaro.

That factory assembles the engine and tranny then bolts the crossmember to it, and the front suspension if it's a complete sub-frame like the Camaro or Aspen/Volare (but not if just a crossmember like Mustangs and all AMCs). Then the body and engine assembly lines come together, with the engine on a floor or subfloor level and the body on an upper level. You can do the same at home with a lift, or like I did. I put the engine/crossmember assembly on a low wheeled dolly then lifted the front of the car with my cherry picker and pushed the assembly under the car. No wheels in the way as the suspension was off. Since I was working with a straight six at the time I took the head off -- it needed rebuilding anyway, and a head gasket doesn't cost much. That took about eight inches off the height of the engine, and reduced the lift for the body. Once the engine was in place, the body was lowered back on it's stands, then the chain from the lift moved from the body to the engine, and the engine/crossmember assembly (the trans crossmember was attached to the tranny also) lifted into place. Man was that easy! But I don't think I'd take the front suspension apart unless rebuilding it anyway. On a lot of cars you could get by with taking the wheel and lower control arm off -- especially high spring cars like early Mustangs and AMCs. Cars that have the spring on the lower control arm would be a lot more work, maybe to much. But then it's an excuse to go ahead and replace those worn suspension bushings you've been putting off replacing...
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I have done an install by myself..

I don't suggest doing it by yourself.. Always better to have extra eyes and hands when needed. I have replaced a bad trans without pulling the engine but when doing an install I always put the two together then install them as one unit. I bought a lift to use for installing and pulling a trans...It also works great for working on my bike.


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