[deadbodyman]

getting it all out together is doable but it'll still have to go back together seperately theres no way your going to get that subframe back in and lined up right with the motor and tranny intact,you have to jostile it around.. .you might as well just pull the motor and tranny out as one,,, piece of cake with the rad supp and fenders out,then drop the subframe do your paint and replace the mounts,then put the motor back in ,,,,you can rent an engine hoist cheap (a lot less than the mounts cost)
Not only that but you'll want to paint the subframe while its out ,no sence painting the fir wall and putting a crappy frame back in I'm sure you'll want to paint the motor too..Nothing like fresh paint under a hood...It may not be the plan now but trust me when your done EVERYTHING under that hood will be painted and clean..

[MARTINSR]

Originally Posted by rusthater89

Yes Brian, I do NOT want to remove the engine or the trans from the sub frame. I only want to remove the sub frame from the body.

Let me make sure I got it right.

I put front wheels on the sub frame. I support the rear of sub frame. I undo the sub frame bushings. I lift body and roll it away.

Just how in the world do you plan on "lifting the body and roll it away" with the motor and trans floating in mid air? Pull the motor like everyone is telling you to, you are going to get hurt.

Brian

[MARTINSR]

Here is what I am talking about. Support the body and remove the sub frame.





http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=124835

Brian

[poncho62]

Originally Posted by MARTINSR

Just how in the world do you plan on "lifting the body and roll it away" with the motor and trans floating in mid air? Pull the motor like everyone is telling you to, you are going to get hurt.

Brian

Brian..I think he is talking about leaving the engine in the subframe and keeping it as a unit.....This is about the most mixed up thread ever.....

This is why I asked the question in post 3

However, if yoiu want to pull the subframe to clean it etc, you are going to want to pull the engine/trans too to do a decent job....Why not just rent a cherry picker and get it all done at once?

[MARTINSR]

Yes he is, but that photos I show IS how you would do that.

The photo may show a cherry picker on the sub frame, and no motor but the body is support exactly the same as he needs.

Brian

[rusthater89]

Thanks for inputs. I will support the body at the rear frame/axle housing and also in the front like Brian showed. I will also have jack stands in the front part of the sub frame (under the radiator support mount) as well as the rear of the sub frame. I'll even put my tires under the car to be safe.

[MARTINSR]

Lift the body, unbolt the sub frame from it, and roll it out from under the car on it's wheels. You will need to steady it with a floor jack or cart with wheels under the trans crossmember but it will just roll out.

I personally have a number of wheeled little carts like for moving furniture that work great for that sort of thing.

Of course you will want the jack stands to just keep it steady until you can get the rear under the crossmember that the tranny mount is on setting on a cart or floor jack.

Brian

[malc]

Originally Posted by rusthater89

Thanks for inputs. I will support the body at the rear frame/axle housing and also in the front like Brian showed. I will also have jack stands in the front part of the sub frame (under the radiator support mount) as well as the rear of the sub frame. I'll even put my tires under the car to be safe.

Hope it goes according to plan, check everything a hundred times, be safe.

[poncho62]

Another thing to think about is what you are going to do with that immobile body.....plan on it not moving while you are messing with the subframe. Put it in a spot where it can stay a while

[rusthater89]

Thanks everyone, When I eventually finish I'll see if I can post a pic or two.

Also if I wanted to raise the body higher after the sub frame removal, like if i was working on the floors. Besides the pinch weld where are the best places to put the jack under.

[MARTINSR]

At the "torque box" that being the forward most sub frame mount and where the front of the leaf springs mount.

Brian

[rusthater89]

Thanks Brian

[farna]

He's got the right idea. The body will just lift up and roll back, leaving the subframe with the engine and transmission on it. The problem now is how to lift the body and roll it back. Get three good friends (two people each side) and run a 10' 2x4 through the rolled down windows, lift, and roll back. 2x4 will be fine, it's going to flex some but there won't be a great deal of weight and the moment arm will be relatively short. But if you want to use a 4x4 (or doubled 2x4s) or 3" or so steel pipe that;s fine. Putting it back will be a bit more of a chore! I suggest you roll it straight back and leave it -- don't move anything around. That will make it easier to just pick up and pull back forward, but it's going to take a lot of work to put it back together. You'll need four friends to move the body around (they won't be holding it up all the time) while you lay on your back and tell them how to move to line things up. No easy way to do this, with or without the engine in place.

Remember, there is no right or wrong way to do all this... but make sure you're as safe as you can be. I take that back -- the way that gets someone (or something) hurt is the wrong way, all others are good.

[malc]

What´s the story so far, have we got that subframe out ?

[rusthater89]

Originally Posted by malc

What´s the story so far, have we got that subframe out ?

I'm getting there I am currently in the process of putting epoxy primer on all my front end sheet metal.

After I finish that I am gonna put all that sheet metal away to the basment which will give me the room in my barely adequate size garage to store the body and sub frame.

At the rate I am going I'll say by June I'll have the sub frame out.

Thanks for asking.