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Old 01-28-2007, 10:23 PM
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Is Black Paint Considered "Metallic"???

by metallic i mean, can you paint differnt panels and stuff at differnt times with it and it doesn't matter? like the shades wont be differnt and stuff? its just something i've wondered about for a long time but always forgot to ask, i finally wrote it on my arm to remind myself...

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Old 01-28-2007, 10:35 PM
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As long as you mix it the same way you are gona be fine. My boss is painting a 65 Malibu right now(black). he painted the trim arround the window before i even worked there and now we are just getting to the fenders hood and other body parts. Im sure that one of the "painters" on this sit might be able to explain it better.... Mike
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:40 PM
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alright...thats pretty interesting. Black does usually have "metallic flake" in it though, right?
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some does.... but not all black paint is a metalic. when you put metalic in back paint it lightens it and sometimes when to much is added the paint will actually look like a gun metal or silver!
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Only if it is Metallic Paint.
Black and white are very very hard to color match since there are literally hundreds of subtle shades of each.
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Not to step on your toes pasadena but color matching black is one of the easier colors. when you spray black, you do not have to blend it. there are many shades of black but the shade differences are very slight. color cast on the other hand could be a problem. if you try to paint a car with black and the color cast is green and the original black had a color cast of blue you would be able to tell. Now a hard color to match is light metalic blue. Mike
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Wow Mike, you have either been luckier than heck or you have painted the same blacks or something. Blacks are not "Black" at all, there is no such thing as a true black. There are some that are blacker than others, there are some that aren't even close. Check out a formula for a GM or Ford "black" and you will see a lot of color toners added to the black one to match the brownish or blueish tint of the original.

Matching black is JUST as critical as ANY other color, most need to be blended. A bad matched black stands out like a sore thumb!

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Shift Easy, first to answer your first question is, a solid black if reduced the same and same brand will not change colors if parts are painted at different times.

Next statement there are many shades of black and anytime your spraying a black repair it should be blended, so when car is pulled outside you do not get the brown flop and or gray flop in certain light.

Black is one of the hardest colors to match.

Yes!! There is such a thing as true black.
A lot of mixing bank blacks are true blacks (no other colors added) but they will not be your blackest black as your blackest black must have a shot of blue tint in it along with other changes in manufacturing.

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Next statement there are many shades of black and anytime your spraying a black repair it should be blended, so when car is pulled outside you do not get the brown flop and or gray flop in certain light.
okay so that pertains to say like...if your car is black already and you got a dent and you strip the paint, pop out the dent and try to color match it right?

if someone was to just buy a gallon or whatever of black paint and paint their car but do say like the fenders one day, the hood another day the body another, the doors another...etc...it wouldn't change as long as you use the same ratio over and over....correct? regardless of if its metallic or not?
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okay so that pertains to say like...if your car is black already and you got a dent and you strip the paint, pop out the dent and try to color match it right?

if someone was to just buy a gallon or whatever of black paint and paint their car but do say like the fenders one day, the hood another day the body another, the doors another...etc...it wouldn't change as long as you use the same ratio over and over....correct? regardless of if its metallic or not?
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101... I think you are mising the point. If it is a metalic, you CAN run into problems, even if it is from the same mix. Metalics can lay differently depending on temp, humidity, the way it is sprayed, and a hundred other things. If it is not metalic, you SHOULD not have a problem.

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Old 01-29-2007, 06:03 AM
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101... I think you are mising the point. If it is a metalic, you CAN run into problems, even if it is from the same mix. Metalics can lay differently depending on temp, humidity, the way it is sprayed, and a hundred other things. If it is not metalic, you SHOULD not have a problem.

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okay, thanks for putting that final clarification into words. So the key is to just use non-metallics if you cant recreate the same environment for sure or do it all at once....
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I wasnt trying to say that you can take this black and and match that black, but from my understanding if you have the same black you should not have to blend. i have talked to many painters and all have said that you do not have to blend black, but i stand corrected. These are just my opinions on what i have heard and done. Sorry if i offened anyone..... Mike
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Mike,
Re panel painting black.

What is funny, from the shops I talk to, no one *****es about metallics matching anymore or silvers like it was years ago.
I swear in the last five years I hear more *****ing about matching black and whites then any other colors.

It use to be a silver came in and the painter ran, now its whites and second is black.
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I did not know that, I have never had trouble and neither has my boss with it but then again im kind of in a old school setting at work, we had 5 black cars in the shop all at one time and we painted them with out any problems and with out blending anything. We dont mix our paint at work, we just buy it from a paint supplier and most of the time it is just about where it needs to be. but when its off its really off. we also paint alot of white truck and vans(terminex and kendall electric) with out any problem. so your comment about black and white is kinda funny/interesting to me, lol. Mike
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