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mitmaks 11-24-2012 06:32 PM

Blending Ultra 7000 base coat
 
I get discount on SWilliams products and I though about buying some Ultra 7000 base to paint a customers car. How do you blend base?
I know with PPG I use DBC 500 color blender but what would I use with Ultra 7000?

mr4speed 11-24-2012 07:02 PM

I have done blends using the DBC500 with a Pro spray base. I also use the DT PPG reducer with both the 500 blender and the Pro spray base. I know of quite a few guys doing it this way with other base coats. Anyone else care to comment on this? Not sure if you would have a reaction or not with the SW base, I would try a test panel first to be sure.

69 widetrack 11-25-2012 09:28 AM

I would not interchange products from one manufacturer to another...I'm not a chemist and don't know what chemical properties one has versus the other...This is not to say it won't work and I know of many people that have had good results mixing and matching products. I've also seen catastrophic failures when this is attempted.

For the best results, check with SW, I'm sure they have a product designed specifically for this procedure...all major refinish manufacturer's do.

Ray

MARTINSR 11-25-2012 11:39 AM

Yes as Ray said the rule of thumb (and a very good very stern rule) is to NEVER combine components from different manufacturers. Unless you are VERY well versed you don't even use a reducer other than the one in you tech sheet for the product you are using. There are reducers containing things that aren't in a "regular" reducer needed for the product you are spraying. This is most certainly not always true and using a quality urethane reducer from another company isn't going to hurt a thing, unless you are VERY WELL versed in the facts of the product NEVER DO IT.

Some products are even relabeled and sold under different brand names so of course they would be exactly the same. But without VERY GOOD inside knowledge you have no idea.

As my general rule goes "FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS".

On your "blender" I am not sure if what you are after but there is no "Blender" for the base coat that I know of in any brand. There are many who use a "colorless" basecoat, you spray it out over the panel before you blend the color out and it helps the metal lay properly for a nicer blend. Or mix it with the color to help blend. http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/me...ish/AS2839.pdf

The "blender" solvent is still used for open blends with clear or a SS color, not a bc/cc. This would be where you are leaving a blend, a real blend at the end of where you are clearing, say up a roof pillar. http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/pr...m?product=BS10

But the basecoat blend isn't like that at all, it will be protected under the clear that you spray over it.

Does this make sense or are you referring to something else?

Brian

mitmaks 11-25-2012 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MARTINSR (Post 1615564)
Yes as Ray said the rule of thumb (and a very good very stern rule) is to NEVER combine components from different manufacturers. Unless you are VERY well versed you don't even use a reducer other than the one in you tech sheet for the product you are using. There are reducers containing things that aren't in a "regular" reducer needed for the product you are spraying. This is most certainly not always true and using a quality urethane reducer from another company isn't going to hurt a thing, unless you are VERY WELL versed in the facts of the product NEVER DO IT.

Some products are even relabeled and sold under different brand names so of course they would be exactly the same. But without VERY GOOD inside knowledge you have no idea.

As my general rule goes "FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS".

On your "blender" I am not sure if what you are after but there is no "Blender" for the base coat that I know of in any brand. There are many who use a "colorless" basecoat, you spray it out over the panel before you blend the color out and it helps the metal lay properly for a nicer blend. Or mix it with the color to help blend. http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/me...ish/AS2839.pdf

The "blender" solvent is still used for open blends with clear or a SS color, not a bc/cc. This would be where you are leaving a blend, a real blend at the end of where you are clearing, say up a roof pillar. Products: BS10 - URE-BLEND™ 1K URETHANE BLENDING SOLVENT

But the basecoat blend isn't like that at all, it will be protected under the clear that you spray over it.

Does this make sense or are you referring to something else?

Brian

Yes looks like S66 is the product name. I just haven't used it but looks like same principle as with PPG's DBC 500, which is great product imo.
With S66 looks like I have to use basecoat stabilizer, with PPG product I don't have to. I'll see how much paint will run me from PPG and then compare to SW as I get SW discount.

69 widetrack 11-25-2012 12:03 PM

Your right Brian...follow instructions, a lot less room for error if you do.

PPG does recommend DBC 500 as a clear blender, it is a transparent base coat and uses the same DT reducers as regular base coat...(see the link mitmaks, same reducer...so it's compatible). By using this product you are filling in sand scratches on your blend panel and eliminating metallic's to fall into them, giving you sand scratch lines when you clear coat. DBC 500 is also used as a mid coat carrier for pearl top base coats and specialty colors in PPG's Vibrance line.

As Brian said, follow the Tech sheets.

Ray

wardf 12-11-2012 05:07 PM

I know this is a little late but I use Shermin Williams. The Stabilizer is used like a reducer but is exclusive for the Ultra 7000 line base coat, it is like the Dupont Chroma line, you don't just regular reducer in your paint. If you have used the ultra 7000 line you know how good it covers. To blend spray S65 down in a med wet coat over entire panel, wait normal in between coat times, then spray over area you want to cover. There is also a product called Rapid Cover, that you mix in your color 3/2 to cover quickly and then coat with your color. I really like the SW Ultra 7000 line but I live in a rural area and my supplier just switched over to BASF, so now I have a new learning curve to go through.

Short answer, S65 is the blender you desire.


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