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Old 09-04-2002, 06:33 PM
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Hey..i was lookin for a job in a local PennySaver magazine, and i came across a job im interested in. Color Crafters COllision Center (a local body shop) as a Painter's assistant....what do you all think? it didn't give much detail about the job or the pay...any input?
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Old 09-04-2002, 06:36 PM
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Old 09-04-2002, 07:00 PM
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That is excatly what I started doing a few weeks ago, not as a painter *** . but as a body apprentice. You would prob be helping with masking the car, buffing, maybe mixing the paint, preping parts. It's not bad I love doing it although I also doing welding -burning-, plastic/fiberglass work as well. We do general stuff but we also do customs and whatnot in our spare time. Pay is good as well.
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Well Frog, I don't know how old you are but let me tell you a little story.

I graduated high school in 1985, the job boards were jammed with jobs and it seemed I had my pick...Not like today. I decided to just pick the highest paying job on the board and see where that led me. It happened that I went for my first full time job interview at a shop called Composite Technology, they specialized in repairing helicopter blades of all types. The job was for a painters assistant.

I guess my youthful exhuberance impressed them because I started the next Monday. Starting wage was $8.50 an hour, not exactly chump change when my friends were making $3.55 an hour at the burger joints. I was in heaven and all I could think about was the stuff I could buy. The very next week I went and bought an almost one year old 85 Yamaha FZ750.

The job was cool, I worked under a young guy who had gone to school as a painter and he was a real nice guy...we became good friends. The job also required I learn composite blade repairs, aluminum honeycomb skin bonding and balancing. I was a sponge. The paints we sprayed were aliphaic polyurethanes and laquers with etching primers and epoxy super koropon primers to name a few. The list of other chemicals I used on a daily basis was extensive, now that I think about it none were any good for you. Remember this was before suplied air respirators and laws requiring them.

I worked hard and learned a lot (I use it all to this day) but I soon got bored and applied for a job painting with Boeing of Canada, starting wage was $13.60/hr. I was now making more money than my Mom...after only 2 years out of school. This job was brutal and required me to paint non-stop for the entire shift except for breaks, I quickly learned to paint with both hands..I had too. A full siphon feed gun of epoxy weighed nearly 12 pds and most of the time my arms were over my head. The paints we sprayed were even more brutal, I remember the fuel tank primer was so potent that I had to stand up wind of it or I would get a headache. This was in a room that had two running walls and air changes every 2 minutes...the breeze was 5 MPH in that room...I know I measured it. I worked there for about nine months and I noticed a change in my health, I would wake up in the morning feeling like I had the flu every day and I soon had a bad reputation for sick calls. By the end of a weekend I would feel Ok again, I also developed ezcema on my hands from the constant chemical exposure. I have it to this day, it itches like poison ivy and drives me crazy. Nothing stops the itch, even potent steroids don't work for long.

I of course went for tests and ran the treadmill and did all kinds of lung function tests. After all that they could find nothing wrong with me, the company nurse declared me fit for work and work I did. Later I received a call from a young doctor at the hospital I work at now, he wanted to see me...I guess I was an interesting case. He did some more tests on me and then gave me an article from a medical magazine, it was called "Polyisocyanate poisoning and it's effects" or something like that. The article certainly opened my eyes as I sat in his office and many of the symtoms described in that article fit me to a tee. When I finished he asked me what I wanted to do with my life? I was 20 years old, single and making some serious cash for a person my age in Canada...I was up to $16.50/hr at that time.

He explained that there was no way I would live to 40 if I continued my profession and since the chemical was in ever paint, epoxy, glue and thinner I used, there would be no way to avoid it...it goes right through a charcoal filter. He then asked me how many old painters worked at Boeing, I honestly couldn't think of one except for crazy George...he was crazy too. I once watched him drink an entire large bottle of Scope before a shift.

I left his office a changed man, I gave my notice the next day and decided to go back to school...somehow. The week I left they installed full hood supplied air respirators in the shop...the B@st@rds. I guess it was cheaper than retraining me...or a possible lawsuit.

Of course the industry is different now with water based paints being the norm now, I am glad I left when I did. Planes are still painted with the same stuff I used, the water based stuff doesn't stand up to 600 mph winds. So my advice to you is to seriously think about your health because what ever you do today you will have to live with all your life, if you need a job take it but keep your eyes open for another opportunity. And for God sakes protect yourself and demand proper protection, reading the MSDS sheets is required for your safety...READ THEM!

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Heeeeeey frog, the whoooole loooong page and a half story mu buddy Chuck just wrote is the 100% truth. I'm a painter/bodyguy and was into alot of otherstuff too and those chemicals are baaaad. I could tell you some horror stories about chemicals, but Chuck handled it so i won't get into it. yes I will nevermind. We used to use a chemical called MEK for everything, hand washing, fiberglass resin cleaner, floor cleaner, you name it we probly used it. After about 5 minutes of direct contack with MEK your skin would start to peel off and get very dry. After working with it for years the safety geeks that said we could use it came back and made our shop stop using it period because it was very bad for your health. If that didn't scare you into being safe this will, I'm 6'1-6'2 and 110-115lbs and probly won't ever get any bigger.

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Here is a partial MSDS listing for MEK.
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HEALTH HAZARD DATA

Acute Hazard: Burning, tearing, drying or cracking of skin, coughing, chest pain, difficulty in breathing, nausea, vomiting, abdominal discomfort, diarrhea. Medical conditions generally aggravated by exposure-any respiratory or skin condition

Possible routes of entry: inhalation, ingestion, skin absorption

Emergency and first aid procedures: Eyes: Flush with water for 15 minutes. Skin: Wash with soap and water, not with solvents. Inhalation: Remove to fresh air from exposure area., give CPR if necessary. Ingestion: Do not induce vomiting. In all cases, obtain immediate medical attention.
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BTW California now lists MEK as a carcinogen, I used to up to my elbows in the stuff literally. We used to strip Bell 204 blades by immersion to dissolve off the laquer paint. I would rather not think about that anymore.
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Hey while were on the subject of chemicals.My day job I work in a food procesing plant.The crap I use to clean the machines at night is called alkaline cleaner.It makes your hands peel,burns your nose and takes your smell for a good few hours after use.On the 55gal drum the stuff gets all crusty like battery acid.I've noticed in the 3yrs I've worked there I've been feeling like **** latly.No energy,tired,can't smell to save my *** occasional bloody nose.I wonder if its the chemicals I wouldn't dought if I have sinus damage.
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Before i read the responses to your question my main concern was your health, but it seems the other guys beat me to it! i was going to say don't take no bull**it about respirators not being required or a laxed concern about them! as i did as an apprentice, back then we mainly used cellulose but Gipgloss & one called 20 line were sometimes used....which i know Gipgloss was leathal. Can you believe i was told " drink some milk before you paint it'll stop any thing going into your system" well i wised up to that & got myself a back-bone & took no more bull.
Not to put to much of a damper on your plans i lost a good freind about 5 yrs back, he was a painter who lost one lung & died shortly after aged 32.
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Speaking of MEK which is the catalyst for polyester resin used in Bondo and fiberglass materials, I got a couple of home movies made by Ed Roth making a couple of his fiberglass creations. He was a real character. He literally built Mysterion, Outlaw, Beatnik Bandit, Road Angel, etc., etc., etc., in a one car garage that was messier tham mine and that is saying a LOT. The tapes are each over two hours long and real treasures. What is humorous here is watching Ed mix bondo and polyester resin batches by sticking his bare had into the goo and swishing it around to mix it then apply it with his bare hands!

I too have swum in polyester resin for years. Probably will die of something serious some day!
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Old 09-05-2002, 07:53 AM
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Anybody can sit and watch. At some point, you have to stop sharpening the blade and just go mow the lawn!
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Anything you die of is serious
Has anyone used Gipgloss clear top coat
Is it easy to apply
Does it give a good result
Any tips
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I guess I'd better go easy on the MEK, I use it for everything in the shop. I remember it being nasty stuff, but didn't bother reading the warnings. (warnings are for wimps) of course my best wimp buddy (a bodyman for 40+ years) died last spring, cardio and pulmonary collapse, at 54. He owned the same respirator for many many years, It hung on the wall of his shop in the same place I remember it hanging in '72 or so.
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I have to thank you guys, We use MEK for everthing but cleaning up after sex. Its bought in bulk, then distributed in clear acid bottles....so no warnings. I think I'll stick with TrimSOL. thanks again!
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My hubby works in a body repair shop . It kills me to watch him in the morning. You would think that he is a smoker as he coughs up a lung every morning. He wears masks.. and the paint booth even meets the safety standards with out a downdraft! He comes home and sleep everyday after work .. his body is bagged and I know.. the chemicals are gonna kill him.. He is 35 and presently looking into another profession He as well as I would like him to see our son grow up .

Just remember Frog.. money is great ..but you have to be around to spend it!



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Hey Guys

after reading all these posts, I feel like I'm doing something bad by getting someone to paint my car!!! ouch!

U guys sure its ok if someone paints my car?
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