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budget sbc 383 build.what do you think? what have you tried

so i want to build a high hp sbc 383 stroker! i dont know to much about it. but the plan is aluminum heads with 210cc flow. 64cc chambers 2.08 ex valve i think. vicor jr air gap intake with atleast a 850cfm double pumper. oh yeah the cam im thinking a .650 lift. i have no idea on the duration. some domed pistons with 6.0 rods. im not sure yet on dome size. im trying to hit 14.1 compression. this motor is race only. if i build this with this ruff specs do you guys think 600 hp + is possible? the cam is solid roller.

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Depending on the actual spec's of the parts used, yes it is possible. Head brand/flow choice will be critical, as will cam choice. Victor Jr will likely not be big enough, think Super Victor or Motown, or Hurricane.

Post again with some more defined parts choices and folks can help steer you in the right direction

Drag or Circle Track?, Parts choice will change some between different use.
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Budget???? horse power and BIG compression require expensive parts...whats your real life budget?
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so i want to build a high hp sbc 383 stroker! i dont know to much about it. but the plan is aluminum heads with 210cc flow. 64cc chambers 2.08 ex valve i think. vicor jr air gap intake with atleast a 850cfm double pumper. oh yeah the cam im thinking a .650 lift. i have no idea on the duration. some domed pistons with 6.0 rods. im not sure yet on dome size. im trying to hit 14.1 compression. this motor is race only. if i build this with this ruff specs do you guys think 600 hp + is possible? the cam is solid roller.

A 383 Budget 600 horse HMMM If going to try to make 600 horse with a stock block that would kind of kill the reliabilty which is key when building a 600 horse engine and 14:01 compression I don't think the stock main caps will like that. You will have to sonic test the cylinders for thickness to start with.

You may want to look into the Dart SHP block as that block is rated at 600 horse and I have some customers well over that and they are still living and plus you can build a 400 CID or bigger with that block.

Your going to need a good forged rotator we have bee using alot of the callies products with zero problems.

For heads we have been using alot of the Dart and AFR with our builds But in the future I would like to try a set of Profiler heads as I have heard alot of good things about these heads http://www.profilerperformance.com/sbc-heads-176.html

We have been using Prosystems Carbs from Pat and so far on the dyno they have laid out a real nice fuel curve and he custome builds each carb for your build.

Cam will be a solid roller for sure and will have be taylored to your build.

Lifters we have been using the Morel pressure feed lifters with good results and you may want to step up to a .904 lifter with the bigger body it makes for a stronger lifter and more reliabilty.

At 600 horse your going to need some good parts if you want an engine thats dependable and the key word here is dependable
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whats the max hp on a tight budget lol. first motor just so i can get the car on the track. im doing the sbc conversion to a 89 mustang. because its so light. i would like to be 10.50 in the 1/4. maybe modified camel backs. $3,000.00 for a build.
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whats the max hp on a tight budget lol. first motor just so i can get the car on the track. im doing the sbc conversion to a 89 mustang. because its so light. i would like to be 10.50 in the 1/4. maybe modified camel backs. $3,000.00 for a build.
3000 dollars to get 600 horse I can't really see that happening
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i didn't say 600hp for 3,000.00. i was saying to build a motor just to get on the track. the car is light. if i got close to 500hp. i should be mid 11.00 or better. i would be a idiot to think i could get 600hp for 3,000.00
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i didn't say 600hp for 3,000.00. i was saying to build a motor just to get on the track. the car is light. if i got close to 500hp. i should be mid 11.00 or better. i would be a idiot to think i could get 600hp for 3,000.00
Ummmm, you might also be an idiot if you think you can build a 500 hp motor for $3000.
Here's the video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSFyVoLL9E4
Here's the money....
http://www.enginefactory.com/500hp.htm

Here's another at 525 hp. It's listed as a circle track motor, but there will be little difference between this and a drag motor. You still have to use the good parts. The description on this one says you need to add starter, carb, exhaust, front accessory drive. Figure $150 for a good starter, 500-600 for a good carb, 500 for exhaust. Don't worry about the front drive right now and you're at $8237....
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/stor...P2317C511.aspx

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i guess you guys just have to much money to know how to do a budget build. or just to dumb to understand close to 500 means 450-500. the heads cost 800.00 a pair for victor jr.s. the internals are about a 1,000.00. and i can find deals on the rest.
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i guess you guys just have to much money to know how to do a budget build. or just to dumb to understand close to 500 means 450-500. the heads cost 800.00 a pair for victor jr.s. the internals are about a 1,000.00. and i can find deals on the rest.
Sure getting off on the wrong foot insulting the guys you asked to help you .
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i guess you guys just have to much money to know how to do a budget build. or just to dumb to understand close to 500 means 450-500. the heads cost 800.00 a pair for victor jr.s. the internals are about a 1,000.00. and i can find deals on the rest.
Go for it!!! Just remember though, that if you don't use good parts, you're gonna be runnin' over the crank. Running a motor on the dragstrip is not the same as running a motor on the street.
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A 383 Budget 600 horse HMMM If going to try to make 600 horse with a stock block that would kind of kill the reliabilty which is key when building a 600 horse engine and 14:01 compression I don't think the stock main caps will like that. You will have to sonic test the cylinders for thickness to start with.

You may want to look into the Dart SHP block as that block is rated at 600 horse and I have some customers well over that and they are still living and plus you can build a 400 CID or bigger with that block.

Your going to need a good forged rotator we have bee using alot of the callies products with zero problems.

For heads we have been using alot of the Dart and AFR with our builds But in the future I would like to try a set of Profiler heads as I have heard alot of good things about these heads http://www.profilerperformance.com/sbc-heads-176.html

We have been using Prosystems Carbs from Pat and so far on the dyno they have laid out a real nice fuel curve and he custome builds each carb for your build.

Cam will be a solid roller for sure and will have be taylored to your build.

Lifters we have been using the Morel pressure feed lifters with good results and you may want to step up to a .904 lifter with the bigger body it makes for a stronger lifter and more reliabilty.

At 600 horse your going to need some good parts if you want an engine thats dependable and the key word here is dependable
thanks for the good advice. a build like that would be awesome. i want to build one like that one day. for now i might just run the victor jr. heads 215cc/ 70cc chambers. i just might have to lower the compression. and see what i get. i should still run really good. i will just have to do my research some more. you seem to be the only one with good advice. thank you.
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OK. $3000 aproximate budget. What parts do you have to start with?? Or are you starting from scratch?? Are we talking long block?? Carb to oil pan?? Headers too?? List what you have or what you plan to use.

Roller cam is likely out of the picture at that budget, for sure. Solid flat tappet can get you there.

There are better, yet cheaper heads than the Edelbrock Victor Jr. I wouldn't use them unless you already have them. Aluminum heads eat budget, you willing to run good iron instead?? No power difference, aluminum is just lighter.

Do you have any porting experience?? Or know someone who does that can help you??
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no i dont have parts yet.i was trying to figure out what the best cast iron head would be and what kind of machining i could get done. im willing to do try some porting with a book and the right tools. my friends dad said H beam rods will take alot of abuse. and to use forged pistons. i cant remember on the crank. i would like to just consitrate on the heads for now then slowly build my motor around those specs. i have tons of time i just need to not get in a hurry. i find old camel backs with 2.02 valves for 150.00 but im afraid of getting a junk head. i even found some for 40.00. can you give me idea's on what to do mybe some links. im not affraid to research it.
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