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Old 10-03-2003, 07:49 PM
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building a 1984 camaro drag car

could anyone help me put togeather a good combo the motor is ready to do to the machine shop to get bore 30 over looking to get all the power outta my 350 as i can! with out running boost or spray

so far for the tranny its gonna be 400 turbo tranny or 350 turbo
gears are gonna be 456 in a 10 bolt rear

motor i need idea's please

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Is it gona be a 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile car?
How fast ya want to go???
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Is it gona be a 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile car?

i would like to run around low 11's its in the 1/4
any help THANX
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Old 10-03-2003, 08:17 PM
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Need to know the budget...?
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budget

there is really no buget because its a project any help thanx!
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are you plannin on towing it to the track or driving it on the street? because that makes a big difference. that we u can get a better idea what u wanna do to it
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towing

well the strip isn't to far i would like to drive it sometimes!
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I have a bud with a 500 horse 472 in a 66 fairlame.... Your Camaro should be lighter...It might only take you 450 horse to get what you're after....I'm away from the house, but I'll get back with you on better information!
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ok i will take a stab at this .you will be able to drive this combo no prob.
stroke it with a 3.75 crank
6 inch rods
flat top or dish pistons
afr cnc 210 race ready heads milled to 64 cc
isky solid roller 250@50 i,e 640 lift i,e 208 lobe seperation
victor jr intake
and a holly 750 dp hp carb
that should set u back afew thousand but you would be well over 500 hp
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exactly core....but, a stroker crank might be $$$ you don't need to spend....Your combo is straight up....try a standard 355 or you might hit the high 10s with the 383!!!!
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Going naturaly asperated, youll need alot of gear and a lose converter, around 3800-4000 stall, Picking the right parts is very important, going N/A the motor is on its own, you cant crank up the boost or add more nitrous..so pay attention to the details, the induction is a key element and should be well thought out, I would run edelbrock victor jr heads, with the Victor jr intake, this helps because the two are dyno matched to work together, so out of the box, they should perform very well, and would need to be touched up here and there to remove casting flaws but over all I think its a good choice, As for the cam, go with a solid roller custom ground for your application, your compression should be around 11.0:1 at least..and youll need to turn 6800-7000 rpm to get what your asking from 355 cid..I feel if your going into the 11's you should be solidly in the 11's there is a big difference between 11.99 and 11.30's but as always thats just my .02
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ok

ok so what should i be after here

don't really wonna stroke it tho

i can get a 350 turbo right now its a 700r4 what gears should i put in rear 456's?

need a good combo!
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You'll need something beefier than a 10 bolt
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If you looking for great power and torq, I would say to use the 406. Mine runs 11.6, with 4:30 gear. If you would like to check it out look here. http://camaroz28.cardomain.com/id/fastbowtie
Price Tag $4000

Here is a build list.

Camaro Engine Build
8-25-00

406 Small Block Chevy 400 (4 Bolt Main)

Casting Number 3951511
Block is notched for Connecting Rods, and all casting flash is removed.
Block is Line Bored. Cylinders are Bored with Torque Plates.

Camshaft Solid Lifter Lunati
Cam Lunati 40139

550 Intake 571 Exhaust Lobe 106
104
Lash .024 .026
@ .50 256 268
Gross 292 302

Cylinder Heads Sportsman 200 Dart II’s 69cc Straight Plug, Pocket Ported and Blended, 200 cc Intake ports.
Intake Size 205 Exhaust 160: Has Teflon Valve Seals.
1.5 Crane Springs, Luniti Studs, and Guideplates. Push Rods .100, ARP Head Bolts.
Plugs AC Delco R44T 45 Gap

Rotating Assembly

Pistons: 4.155 Forged Luniti Flat Top Free Floating 2 Valve Relief, with Speed Pro Molly Rings. 11.5-1. Head Gasket is .032 Copper.
Rods: Eagle H – Beams, Bushed Bronze for Full Floating Pins, ARP Rod Bolts. 5.7 Connecting Rod.

Rods have Clearance for Standard Base Circle Cam

Certified 4340 Steel - Vacuum degassed to remove impurities.
All feature ARP 7/16" rod bolts (8740 material 190,000 psi)
Silicon Bronze bushings for floating piston pins
2 piece forging for maximum strength
Muti Stage Heat Treated
EVERY ROD is Sonic Tested, X Rayed and Magnafluxed

C-C Length 5.700”
Total Weight 628
Rotating Weight 449
Recipr Weight 129
Bolts ARP 8740
Torque 63 ft. lbs. w/Molly
Bolt Stretch .0059”-.0063”


Crankshaft (Eagle)

Forged 4130 Steel
Multi stage heat treatment process
Medium frequency induction hardened rod & main journal surfaces
Precision ground & micro-polished journals
Cranks are 100% X Rayed, Magnafluxed and sonic tested
.125" radius on rear seal, snout, rod and main journals for increased strength
Indexed for correct stroke
Cross drilled & chamfered oil holes for improved oiling
Internal Balanced to 350 Harmonic and Flywheel, entire Assembly Balanced.

Ignition: MSD Multi-spark
Intake: Team G, Holley 850 DP (Jetting Unknown)

Oil Pump: Melling High Vol. With Pickup Tacked in 2 Spots with Drive Assembly.

Oil Pan: Moroso Deep 7 Quart pan with Flapper Door.

Horse Power Estimated: 550 – 600 (Gross)
449 (Net)
Torque 500
Redline: 7200
8000 (Bottom End Only)

Time MPH 60 FT
Best Quarter Mile 11.66 - 116 1.62
Best MPH 11.74 - 118 1.72

If you looking for great power and torq, I would say to use the 406. Mine runs 11.6, with 4:30 gear. If you would like to check it out look here. http://camaroz28.cardomain.com/id/fastbowtie
Price Tag $4000 (Engine Only)

Here is a build list.

Camaro Engine Build
8-25-00

406 Small Block Chevy 400 (4 Bolt Main)

Casting Number 3951511
Block is notched for Connecting Rods, and all casting flash is removed.
Block is Line Bored. Cylinders are Bored with Torque Plates.

Camshaft Solid Lifter Lunati
Cam Lunati 40139

550 Intake 571 Exhaust Lobe 106
104
Lash .024 .026
@ .50 256 268
Gross 292 302

Cylinder Heads Sportsman 200 Dart II’s 69cc Straight Plug, Pocket Ported and Blended, 200 cc Intake ports.
Intake Size 205 Exhaust 160: Has Teflon Valve Seals.
1.5 Crane Springs, Luniti Studs, and Guideplates. Push Rods .100, ARP Head Bolts.
Plugs AC Delco R44T 45 Gap

Rotating Assembly

Pistons: 4.155 Forged Luniti Flat Top Free Floating 2 Valve Relief, with Speed Pro Molly Rings. 11.5-1. Head Gasket is .032 Copper.
Rods: Eagle H – Beams, Bushed Bronze for Full Floating Pins, ARP Rod Bolts. 5.7 Connecting Rod.

Rods have Clearance for Standard Base Circle Cam

Certified 4340 Steel - Vacuum degassed to remove impurities.
All feature ARP 7/16" rod bolts (8740 material 190,000 psi)
Silicon Bronze bushings for floating piston pins
2 piece forging for maximum strength
Muti Stage Heat Treated
EVERY ROD is Sonic Tested, X Rayed and Magnafluxed

C-C Length 5.700”
Total Weight 628
Rotating Weight 449
Recipr Weight 129
Bolts ARP 8740
Torque 63 ft. lbs. w/Molly
Bolt Stretch .0059”-.0063”

Balance Card
Large End of Rod ………………… 898 Other Components Balanced:
Small End of Rod ………………… 179 Neutral
Rod Reciprocating………………… 899
Piston……………………………… 524
Pin……...…………………………...142
Locks………………………………. 4
Rings……………………………….. 50
Rod Bearings (2 Sets)……………… 90
Oil…………………………………. 3

Bob weight Total……………………1890 Gms.

Crankshaft (Eagle)

Forged 4130 Steel
Multi stage heat treatment process
Medium frequency induction hardened rod & main journal surfaces
Precision ground & micro-polished journals
Cranks are 100% X Rayed, Magnafluxed and sonic tested
.125" radius on rear seal, snout, rod and main journals for increased strength
Indexed for correct stroke
Cross drilled & chamfered oil holes for improved oiling
Internal Balanced to 350 Harmonic and Flywheel, entire Assembly Balanced.

Ignition: MSD Multi-spark
Intake: Team G, Holley 850 DP (Jetting Unknown)

Oil Pump: Melling High Vol. With Pickup Tacked in 2 Spots with Drive Assembly.

Oil Pan: Moroso Deep 7 Quart pan with Flapper Door.

Horse Power Estimated: 550 – 600 (Gross)
449 (Net)
Torque 500
Redline: 7200
8000 (Bottom End Only)

Transmision Turbo 400 with
2.75 1st
1.57 2nd
1.00 3rd

4500 Stall
Ford 9 inch with 4:30 gears and 35 spline axels Detroit locker with Strange Case.
Time MPH 60 FT
Best Quarter Mile 11.66 - 116 1.62
Best MPH 11.74 - 118 1.72


Questions Please ask.
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I have a bud with a 500 horse 472 in a 66 fairlame
I just thought that was funny! z28, lots of great info on this thread, use it! I also think your rear is going to be the weak point. Either beef it up, or move up to a 12 pnt.
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