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Old 08-15-2006, 04:40 PM
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Buying this car....

Hello : )

Im planning on buying a 1966-1968 lincoln continental, and I have a few
questions. First of, here are a few pics of the car:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8...164fullvw7.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8...162fullqq6.jpg

The one in the pics is all stock (except for the lowering of course).

I live in Poland, and I plan on importing the car from the usa when Im
visiting for christmas this year. Because of this I really need a car that
will run well and last a long time, without me having to buy parts every
other day. Where I live there are almost no parts available for American
cars and when one can actually find them they are really expensive, and
I don't have alot of money. :F

So I guess the question is, if I buy an old beater for 500$ thats been
sitting somewhere in a barn for 30 years, and just fix up the body, how
reliable will the engine be? What would I have to replace to make it so
that I could drive it every other day without worrying?

I want to do some modifications to the car when I buy it. Here is the final
look I'm going for:

http://www.sydneycarfestival.com.au/images/lowrider.gif

Different car but its just so you get the idea.
Nice isn't it?

Now, can I lower the suspension like in the pic without making it really
un-comfortable? How much would doing so cost? And how much would
such a paint job cost? I can do most of the bodywork and preparing
myself, except for the actual painting.

One other thing that really worries me about this car is the gas mileage.
It has a 340 hp 7L V8 and someone told me it got around 8 mpg, which is
really horrible In europe gas prices are so high that it would be a
deal-breaker for me. Is there a V8 engine with comparable hp that I could
swap out and that would give me better mileage? I don't know why in
Europe they can get 250 hp from a 1.6 L engine but in the usa they
usually have a much higher L/HP ratio...

Any advice would really be appreciated.

Thanks,

Gabriel.

P.S.

Sorry if I ask a lot of newbie questions

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Old 08-15-2006, 05:07 PM
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One other thing that really worries me about this car is the gas mileage.
It has a 340 hp 7L V8 and someone told me it got around 8 mpg, which is
really horrible In europe gas prices are so high that it would be a
deal-breaker for me. Is there a V8 engine with comparable hp that I could
swap out and that would give me better mileage? I don't know why in
Europe they can get 250 hp from a 1.6 L engine but in the usa they
usually have a much higher L/HP ratio...

Any advice would really be appreciated.
7L v8 is 430 cubic inches and I doubt that the car would EVER get 8 mpg ...
The car weighs over 2 and 1/2 tons ... so anything less than the 7L would be struggling so bad to move it ... the mileage would be worse IMHO ...

As for the 250 HP from a 1.6L engine ... it has NO TORQUE ... and torque is what moves the big USA cars around ...

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Hi Gabriel.
I like your idea for the Lincoln. However, as Duece pointed out, you're looking at a heavy car.
The lighting company I worked for had an '83 Ford F350 stakebed truck with a 460 (7.4ltr). If I remember correctly, that thing got 12mpg whether towing a load or not. It's going to be expensive to operate. Good luck to you.

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Oh man

Isn't there anything I could do to get at least 15 mpg? I could live with that...

My granddad has a 1995 Cadillac deville and that has a 280 hp 4.7 L V8.
Although it doesn't weigh as much he gets about 15-20 mpg.

Also, does anyone know about the reliability?
Or am I asking stupid questions?
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If the engine has been taken care of reliability shouldn't be an issue. If it's been sitting a long time, like more than 2-3 years, you have some work to do. You need to buy some parts while here and ship back. The last time I shipped a car overseas you were not allowed to put parts in the trunk. The reason is a ship can get tossed around, and anything loose in the car can get thrown around and beat the car up from the inside. The car itself is tied down good. I once saw photos of a car transporter ship ("ro-ro", short for roll-on/roll-off) deck full of Mercedes where one car came loose in a storm. That one car pulverized 30-40 around it and just about every car on the deck (300-400?) had some kind of damage from loose pieces getting tossed around.

Id the car has sat a long time get it running first. If it won't run at all pass. Maybe someone on the board here will be nice enough to look at a car for you if it's near them. I've done that before, but am US military deployed right now. If it won't run, you can't tell what might be wrong. Running rough is better than not at all!

Assuming it runs reasonably well, I'd want to replace the following, or at least buy the parts and ship over while you're here:
1. Valve stem seals. These harden with age and will usually fall a part if an engine has sat for a while.
2. Timing chain and gears, and timing cover gasket. They stretch with age. If it's an unusually low mileage car, say under 60,000 miles, you should be fine for quite a while.
---- To cover these two and more, get a complete rebuild gasket set. That will have the needed gaskets and valve stem seals, and will also have head, valve cover, and oil pan gaskets, all gaskets you may need over time ---
3. Fuel pump. Diaphragms harden with age, it won't last long. You can replace this with a generic electric pump that you might be able to get in Poland though. Has to be a pump made for a carburetor. If you go electric pull the old pump and kame a plate to cover the opening (or buy one to ship over). The old fuel pump can leak oil.
4. Water pump. Even if the engine has a good one, buy a spare! I'd go ahead and change the pump when/if the timing cover comes of and the chain and gears are repalced. The pump has to come off anyway, and you can keep the old one as a spare. The seals dry out with age. Before using the old pump (if you ever have to) soak it in a bucket of water at least over night. That will soften the seals and allow it to be used again. I do that to any water pump known to have sat for over three years.
5. A Pertronix electronic ignition kit. This fits in place of points, assuming it's an old car with point ignition. I suggest this as it will last as long as several sets of points and make other components (rotor, cap, and plugs) last longer. Barring the kit, get at least two sets of points and condensor, two rotors, should be okay with one cap but two won't hurt.
6. New plug wires. The insulation gets weak with age. Get a couple sets of spark plugs unless you're using the Pertronix or the car has electronic ignition. Then get a set of platinum plugs. If the engine is in good condition, they will last a long time. An extra set won't hurt.
7. If there are auto electric rebuilders in your area you may be okay without a rebuilt starter and alternator, but they may not be able to get parts for American cars. You can adapt a local 12V alternator to the car, but not a starter. I'd get a new one and put it on, keeping the old (if working) one for a spare.
8. How hard will tires be to get? And brake pads and shoes? You will likely need the brake parts at least. Check the rotors for wear also, may need those.
9. Get all new hoses and belts. Some of those you can match close enough with European brands. I'd think you can match all if you're not concerned about original appearance. Do stores carry "universal" radiator hoses in various lengths and end sizes like they do here?

There are lots of things that can go wrong. The above are the most likely. I really suggest spending a little more on the car, and maybe getting something a little newer unless you just have to have that model and year. The newer the less it will likely need, or at least one that was reasonably well maintained. You'll spend more on parts for a barn find car than for a maintained one that doesn't need as much work or as many parts.
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Does it have to be a Lincoln? There are a lot of cars out there.

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Well I always had this vision of a perfect car and that lincoln comes really close (except for the mileage :F)

Some guy told me I could put a ford 351 or 302 engine in it, and it would
get around 14 mpg. Is that true?

Thanks for all the advice farna, do you think I could do all that
for a couple grand?

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Old 08-17-2006, 08:46 AM
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Out of the two a 351W would be a better choice. I had one in a '69 Cougar and it could fry the tires even with the 2bbl. 14mpg in that car sounds very likely.

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Would it just be a matter of unscrewing the old engine and bolting the new
one in, or would I have to make some modifications? I'm not verry
experienced with these things

Also how much would such a paint job cost?
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I think Deuce is probably correct, every big car or truck I've owned with a small motor did horrible on gas, and had no power. my experience is big vehicles with big motors do better on gas than big vehicles with small motors. big vehicles with small motors need lower rear gears to get em going, witch in turn drops your gas mileage. you might find a late model bigger fuel injected motor that might get better gas mileage. but it's not plug & play, in other words a lot of fabrication/work. I bought my wife a 99 Kia Sportage 4 x 4 with a 4cylinder and a auto tranny, it gets in town maybe 12mph and highway 14 to 16 mpg. It's real low geared.

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The paint cost varies with what you want done. You can spend $100 for an ok job to thousands. On my '69 Fury III I did the bodywork myself and took it to Maaco for a $300 paint job. Not a show winning job but good enough for a driver.

As for getting the engine in the car, you're looking at a lot of work. I'd expect to fabricate engine mounts, the tranny in the Lincoln will most likely not fit the 351 so count on replacing it. The crossmember will probably need to be moved, modified or custom made....that's all I can think of without having the car to check.

By the way here are a couple shots of the Fury I used to own.

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Wow man thats a nice car! It must look awesome with the top down...

I was originally intending to get one of those LPG gas kits installed (in Poland
alot of cars run on LPG gas because its very cheap), but there are some
rumors that before long the Polish government will put a tax on it and it won't
be alot cheaper then regular gas anymore...

P.S.
I was thinking of a paint job like in this pic:
http://www.sydneycarfestival.com.au/images/lowrider.gif

Just blue with some flames from the wheelwells

Also, someone told me that for lowering the suspension like that I would
have to make the hump in the floor where the drive shaft goes through a
bit higher. When one lowers the suspension so its only 3-4 inches above
the ground does the ride become really uncomfortable?

I decided to go with the "airbags" because for practical reasons I need to
be able to adjust the hight of the suspension (for eg. when I come to a
speed bump ).
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Thank you!
There have been days I've wished I still had it.
When I got the car someone had lowered it by using lowering blocks and backing down the front suspension. It was kind of a pain to drive that way. With air bags at least you have more control over the ride height. As far as comfort goes someone who has them will have to chime in.

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I think you are not going to be a happy motorist with this big car. Even here in the US parts for those models are hard to find. Also that engine was designed for high test fuel.
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Geez everybody is trying to discourage me from doing this...

Maybe they are right...

Heck I'm gonna do it anyway

If it doesn't work out I can always sell the car in Poland for alot more
then I will pay for it in the usa, Polish people think American cars are
some kind of divine objects... I saw some dude sell a completely rusted
out 60s mustang for 10,000 $ a few weeks ago...
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