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Old 09-13-2011, 11:12 PM
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Buying a parts car/no title

Hi, I have the oppurtunity to buy an old parts car that has great sheetmetal. Everthing on my car floors, trunk, quarters, cowl is pretty much rotted and this car is stripped down to only the sheetmetal. It is the exact same model of my car but doesnt have a title. I would love to be able to just transfer all the stuff of my car into that one, but I first need to figure out how to get a title. I am in Illinois, and the car is coming from Wisconsin. I will have a bill of sale and the previous owner has the bill of sale from the last owner as well. What is the best route here for me? Thanks

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Old 09-13-2011, 11:29 PM
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Have you talked to or went to either of the states dmvs or secretary of states? This is where I would start
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No I have not, the Illinois DMV is a real nightmare to say the least.
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I am sure that there is info on this subject at their website
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I have looked on the website, it states that I have to ask the previous titled owner to request a duplicate. How do I find a previous owner if there have been 4-6 owners in between.
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Well, are we talking about doing it legally? I am thinking what they don't know won't hurt them. Honestly, I am as honest as the day long but if I wanted to transfer all my stuff from my two door over to the four door parts car (which really did have a better body) I would have swapped the vin tag and cut up the two door with my torch and that would be all there was to it.

Honestly, what is your INTENT? To defraud? No, to "steal" a car? Nope, you simply want all new parts for your car, there you go swap all the parts over.

That's how I see it at least. The only thing I would do is find out if the parts car is legal. After knowing that, it would be getting a new vin tag.

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Thanks, didnt know how people felt about that. Its the exact same car but different ext/int colors. Everything else is identical, even the plant it was made.
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I don't know about "people" and I don't know as I could REALLY pull it off as I have never been given the chance. But just thinking about it, I don't see that I wouldn't do it. My parts car has no title, I will be cutting it up once I am done with picking it clean. So that car is going to disappear one day. Why not make the other car disappear, like I said, what is the INTENT?

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My intent is on having one solid vehicle, dont care what happens to the other parts. I will probably only have about 15 percent of a car left anyways. I dont want to run into a problem though with reselling if I ever had to sell the car. I know the vin is stamped in other places, and I am not sure if I know exactly where else.
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If you're sure the car has never been stolen, use your cunning and a good friend to get a title. I am like Brian, but you are not stealing a car and the states make this all but impossible sometimes.
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If you're sure the car has never been stolen, use your cunning and a good friend to get a title. I am like Brian, but you are not stealing a car and the states make this all but impossible sometimes.
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Come on guys, no matter how you justify it in your mind swapping VINs is illegal on both the state and federal levels period.
".....If you're sure the car has never been stolen......"

And there in lies part of the problem to find out you almost have to get the state ionvolved.

You don't mention any specifics about the car you are working on, but depending on the year, there is a good chance that there are one or more hidden VINs located on the car that can come back to bite you real hard.

If I were in the situation, personally I would check into the requirements for a bonded title (I'd check in both states, and go with what ever is cheaper/easier.

Just a hint when dealing with DMV it usually a real crap shoot as far as finding someone knowlegable and helpfull. I have personally found it is sometimes easier to pose the questions to a vehicle title company who in a lot of cases are more aware of what the current laws and requirements are than some state employees.
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"Oh, the hidden VIN in the fender doesn't match? Well of course not, that fender is a replacement I put on about ten years ago...."
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title??????????????

Hi,why do you need a title?its a parts car.take it home,strip it of all the parts you need,and cut the rest of the car up.BUT,dont cut it up UNTIL youre sure you dont need any other parts. keep the bill of sale handy,and make sure the VIN is on it,
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"......Oh, the hidden VIN in the fender doesn't match? Well of course not, that fender is a replacement I put on about ten years ago......."

Depending on th car; farme, firewall, core support, even seen VINs or partial vins located in the well for the trunk lid weather strip. In the case of Ford usually a tab on the firewall that lips over the front fender not on the fender itself (by the way if the tab is missing BIG red flag). Did you get them all?
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