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Old 06-17-2005, 02:11 AM
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caddy cylinder orientation?

I hafta ask you guys this one. Mainly because my crappy work computer has soooooooo many blocks on it anymore, I can't get anything done. :roll: I know what the firing order is, but... Does anyone know what the cylinder orientation of a '62-7 Cadillac 429? Which cylinder is #1, and what order are they numbered? Thanx!

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Don't quote me on this, but most GMs are front drivers side #1, front passenger side #2 etc.

All v8s have one cylinder head slightly farther forward than the other..............this is where #1 is, or should be.
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Old 06-28-2005, 03:42 AM
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My understanding is #1 is on the passenger side, and all the evens are on the driver's side. I've tried them all and can't get the POS to run right! Arrrrggghhh! I've lined up the timing marks, rotated plug wires 180, and tried #1 on both sides. When it runs, it sounds like it's hittin' on 4. This motor is a '67, and has been completely gone through.(all new parts and machining) I'm really getting a bit PO'd at this car, if not just the engine. Can anyone help?
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All v8s have one cylinder head slightly farther forward than the other..............this is where #1 is, or should be.
This is usually correct but not always, If I remember correctly I think Pontiac V-8's break this rule.
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Cadillac 429 V8. Engine firing order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3. Distributor rotation: clockwise.

The cylinders are numbered 1,3,5,7 (drivers side) and 2,4,6,8 (passenger side).

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Camaroman, you're right. I found TDC and reset all the wires to what you said. It still runs like crap, but better. I'm thinking I may have a couple of bad wire or issues with the cap. I'll replace them and go from there. I don't remember how old the wires are, but there are a couple that are too short for my liking. I'm also suspecting a vacuumn leak somewhere. The motor actually sounds decent at 2k or better. We'll see tommorow.
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Old 06-30-2005, 08:32 AM
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Glad I could help. Keep us posted on what you find. If that car is still running points that would be one of the first places I would check.

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I have a 429 that had the same problem when I got it. The issue was the crank vent was plugged stuck and in the wrong orientaion (vertical not horizontal) it was pressurizing the case and would stumble up to 2 grand. I have vacc gauge and it was reading fine. Check the Crank vent and hoses orientation if you havent always owned it sometimes guys put them in backwards. Another sign of this is when you rev it it blows out the dip stick. Just some ideas.

Also consider in the future getting a petronix set up for it to delete the points. I have one on mine with a mechanical advance and the thing works great. I have it in a 50 ford and the 429's torque makes it jump off the line like a monster

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H'Ok, I replaced the cap, rotor, and plug wires with all new Accell products. I also replace the points with a set of new $6 units.(yes, I'm going to install a pertronix deally here in the near future, so for now...) Anyway, it still runs the same. I monkeyed with the timing and the miss still won't go away. I think the motor has about 20-25 minutes of run time on it now. I'm about ready to pull off the VC's and check to see if a pushrod may have fell out or something.(not likely, but I'm grasping at straws here) You know, another thing I'm thinking is this: The motor is in a '65 Caddy hearse, aka, a commercial chassis. The motor itself is a '67, out of a DeVille. We bought it at a junkyard as a builder and it was totally spanked. We replaced everything, had the block bored and machined, heads done, and the crank turned. We bought all the parts minus the valve train from the machine shop. GM made a bunch of changes to the 429 in '67 that I'm aware of. Pretty ironic because it was the last year for it. Even more ironic is we found out after we had a bunch of $$$ into it and it was too late. They changed out the valvetrain from the rocker shaft style to the "T" pedestal version similar to the 472/500's. They also went to a spread bore carb and a different timing cover and oilpump. This is what we used: the '67 longblock, with the '65 carb, intake, distributor, and exhaust manifolds. Now what if they(GM) changed out something else I'm not aware of, like cam timing, firing orders, or something really stupid. I'm not sure what cam is even in the car for that matter. This is not the first motor I've built and and I'm about ready to yank it out and start looking for a 472. BTW, the CC vent is installed right and blowby does not seem to be an issue. You guys have anymore ideas?
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Did you ever sort this out? I know the carb gasket can be a sticky point if you don't have the right one. Also, if the distrib is a tooth off...

If you still have the engine, I need one for my '67 Fleetwood.
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this help ?









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is that you Dan? Sally? From the 12th Engineers in Dexheim?

And, it's a Caddy not a Chevy or any other GM. CamaroMan had it right.

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is that you Dan? Sally? From the 12th Engineers in Dexheim?
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And, it's a Caddy not a Chevy or any other GM. CamaroMan had it right.
glad CamaroMan was right, just tryin to help............








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no probs, dude

Sorry if I sounded a bit Mr. Spanky there. I surely don't want to discourage anyone willing to help!


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Doc here,

WELL, BEING as This post has been RESURRECTED from the dead...and is 13 months old...

Perhaps he will post back with the fix..If one was ever achieved..

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