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Old 12-02-2002, 11:58 AM
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Question Cadillac Northstar in a Saturn

I am 17 years old and my dad does not want me to have a project car... so I'm here with a four banger Saturn. At least it's American and is cheep on gas.

I'd like to drop in a Cadillac Northstarv8 into my 1993 Saturn SC2, and was wondering how it'd work as far as evil torque steer goes and if it'd fit at all. I've seen a 3800 supercharged v6 from a Pontiac swapped into one, but I wanted eight cylinders to teach the Honduh people how to go while complying to dad's 'no project car' rule.

Also- is there a manual transmission that'd work with the Caddy motor? Thanks much.

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you better have bushell baskets of money and tons of time to do this swap you can put any engine in any car with a torch and a big hammer its getting all the other pieces to work that is the challange, how about the computer problems, the trans problems etc.
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Yeah be just about as cheap as making rear wheel drive with a 350 and th350 trans.
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rear drive's always better. No torque steer, and John Delorean once said something to this extent: A tire can only withstand so much friction.
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I own a saturn just like yours except a 1994 and i want to find a turbo for mine if you have any ideas let me know and good luck with your project
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Hmmm... I already mentioned that somebody dropped in a 3.8L supercharged v6, and they used a 5-speed froma cavalier and had to fabricate some motor mounts, fuel system, and transplant the engine, computer, and all of that stuff but that sounds like a more affordable option than a Northstar v8.

If I'm not mistaken some guy there also has one with a centrifugal blower from a late 80s or early 90s Bonneville. I always thought they had the roots type, but maybe I'm mistaken.

The site I go to is <a href="http://www.saturnfans.com" target="_blank">www.saturnfans.com</a>
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Listen to your DAD. He is not as ignorant as you may believe. You are riding and getting around. You are just 17.

Wait til you are a little more mature and then try a project that is not your primary source of transportation.

If you try this project, you will kick yourself in the behind a 100 times when you want to go somewhere (a date maybe) and the Saturn is in pieces and no $$$ to buy expensive parts.

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For the amount of money that you are probably looking at spending, you could probably buy a pretty nice muscle car with a 350 and still have money to dump into the engine. You would still be breaking your dad's project car rule. The type of swap that you are talking about would take quite a bit of time. I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it though......
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[quote]Originally posted by ChevelleSS_LS6:
<strong>John Delorean once said something to this extent: A tire can only withstand so much friction.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Didn't John Delorean supplement his car business by selling drugs?
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The Northstar would never fit in a Saturn. That motor only bolts up to the 4T80E trans which fits the large GM FWD platform, plus it is likley too large to fit inbetween the struts of your Saturn.

There are better choices for a motor swap out there, like a supercharged 3800, or even the new Eccotec motor coming out in the new saturn, and standard in the L sedan. That new 4 cyl is engineered for serious power potential, as the stock longblock can handle over 350 hp.

For a first car, even the stock 1.9 motor may have some power potential. Walk before you run grasshopper.
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Check out the new Cavalier drag car that GM has. It runs the Ecotec 2.2 (correct me if I'm wrong) and puts out over 700HP (once again, correct me if I'm wrong). Regardless, it does huge power from a very small powerplant.
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over here in europe there are sone seriously fast front wheel drive cars, made with homewelded turbo manifolds, used turbos and ingenuity. i have a 1.3L vw engine that i am welding a turbo manifold (just couldnt leave it alone) it will put out 175 hp at 16psi of boost, and the cost is less than a 1000 bucks for the conversion. if you have some cash to spend you can build a mean 300HP saturn without breaking the bank. but you have to know what you are doing, be good at it and know what the project involves before committing to it

if you want i can send some pics of how to weld a manifold for a turbo, calculate what turbo to buy and what boost to run, and how to build a cheap waterinjection system. just drop me a line at jakob@regeur.dk
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*thinks about buying a rear drive car, maybe an old Buick GS (Honda got beat by a 'granny' car)*
As far as the 1.9L DOHC Satty engine goes, if I were to make it a project car, I'd prolly put a cold-air system on it, maybe make one myself. Install a factory header and cams from a '92 or '91 DOHC Satty, and it'd be a pretty quick car, enough to keep the ricers in the school lot in the mirror. There's the one or two v8 'Stangs and Camaros that'd toast me, but there's no replacement for displacement and low-end power.

From what I heard, the most powerful 1.9 DOHC satun was about 250HP, that's with a turbo, but I like running all motor. The stock pistons I heard (or it was the rods, or both) I heard are fairly brittle, and inadequate for 'high' power applications. I don't really feel like ripping the engine apart (no project car rule, it's cold, it's only a four)

Bottom line: do my intake, factory header, cams, (for '93 they killed the slightly better cam and factory header). Buy a project car (old v8 powered beater, maybe a '77 Buick Electra (350v8, turbo 350, needs help) I mentioned in a forum with the same name as this one. Fix up the beater so it's a decent cruiser, and when the Saturn engine needs rebuilt, I'd apply the 3800.

MeanCuda: I read his autobiography(titled Delrean), and he was selling his Delorean company to some drug cartel that turned out to be federal agents.

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If you want a v8 you might look into using a 4.9 caddy. The hp potential isn't quite as high, but you'll be lucky to get that north* out of limphome mode. try searching the web for v8 fiero. I think you will find something to perk your intrest.
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