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Old 08-09-2006, 08:03 PM
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I understand basics of camshaft specs, but I don't understand how significant the differences are.....So is there someone out there that can advise me on the following cam specs?

Edelbrock Performer RPM Camshaft (.488" intake / .510" exhaust with a 234/244 duration @ .050)

Just how radical is this cam? Is it docile enough for a weekend driver? Also need enough vacum to run air without having to rev engine at the red light. Can someone give me something to compare to?

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I understand basics of camshaft specs, but I don't understand how significant the differences are.....So is there someone out there that can advise me on the following cam specs?

Edelbrock Performer RPM Camshaft (.488" intake / .510" exhaust with a 234/244 duration @ .050)

Just how radical is this cam? Is it docile enough for a weekend driver? Also need enough vacum to run air without having to rev engine at the red light. Can someone give me something to compare to?
I don't know what you are putting it in, (that's pretty healthy duration for a 350 SBC, what is the LSA ?) but Edel does a lot of research for their system packages. If you are not using an entire Edel top end, I would suggest you consider contacting Edel or some of the big cam companies tech lines for their recommendation for your engine and parts combination.

If you don't trust their recommendations, you are doing business with the wrong company.

Depending on the LSA and intake manifold used, on a 350 SBC I'd say you are looking at 8" vacuum at 900 rpm with a lopey idle on a single plane, and 11 inches with a dual plane. The cam's torque peak will be about 4500 rpm and the hp peak about 6000 if you have enough heads to support it.

Edel might be able to answer your questions more precisely.


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Recently finished a customers engine. He had the 234-244 cam that he wanted to put in it. Even on a 9.8-1 motor with the Perf. RPM intake, ported stock heads, with a 4 speed behind it, its still a bear to drive around in traffic. But daaammm! Does it sound good. I checked vacume at just over 9" at just under 900 rpms. Not alot.
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question about the question

how do you even get a big cam to idle at 900 rpms
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I have a 240/240 solid roller cam in a 331" SBC that idles just fine at 900 rpm. I once asked Earl Parker about setting up the idle with a Holley carb and he sent me the following procedure that I use:

One method of setting up your idle system is a follows:
To start with, invert the carburetor and check the position of the throttle
butterflies. Turn the idle speed setting screw to set the bottom edge of the
primary throttle butterflies about .020" from the bottom edge of the transfer
idle slot. Don't worry about measuring anything - your eyeball is good
enough. Positioning the throttle butterflies near the bottom of the transfer
idle slot at curb idle is absolutely critical for maximum acceleration.
Next, turn the idle mixture needles in until they are lightly seated. Excessive
force here will damage both the needles and metering block and make the
idle fuel mixture difficult to set with any accuracy. After seating them turn
them out 1 1/4 turns, which is a good baseline setting. Now you're ready to
reinstall the carburetor and setup your idle system.
Before you start the engine, examine the fuel bowl side of the throttle body.
Hopefully you'll see a little tube, covered by a rubber plug. This vacuum port
connects with a passage in the throttle body that 'sees' manifold vacuum.
Remove the plug, attach a good vacuum gauge to the port and position the
gauge where you can see it clearly. Don't forget to zero out the gauge.
Without touching the carburetor, turn the engine over until you have
pumped fuel into the bowls. Work the throttle a few times then start the
engine. If it dies, which is likely, you'll have the turn the idle speed setting
screw to increase the RPM to get it to idle while it's cold. Since throttle
butterfly position is critical, count the turns and fractions of turns so you'll
know exactly where you're at. The whole idea is to be able to return the
throttle butterflies to the position you originally set them at. As the engine
warms up it should gain rpm, so you should be able to reduce the throttle
opening at least somewhat without the engine dying. Now the fine tuning
begins.
With the engine idling, pick one of the idle mixture needles and turn it in 1/4
turn while you're watching the vacuum gauge. Give the idle a few seconds
to stabilize. If manifold vacuum increases repeat the process, letting the idle
stabilize each time, until it starts to decrease. If turning it in hurts manifold
vacuum then try turning it out. When you've found the 'sweet spot' (i.e. the
manifold vacuum is as high as you can get it) repeat the process with the
other idle mixture needle.
Presumably you'll be able to pick up enough idle speed by optimizing the idle
fuel mixture that you can close the primary throttle butterflies down to their
original position near the bottom of the transfer idle slots.
As a final check give each idle mixture needle a slight turn in then a slight
turn out. If any motion hurts manifold vacuum, you know that needle is set
properly. At this point if the idle is stable and the engine responds quickly
when you just crack the throttle, you should be good to go.
One final note: Make sure your timing is set correctly before starting this
process.
If your distributor has a mechanical advance system there is a much better,
though more involved, way to setup the idle system.
Position the throttle butterflies and idle mixture needles as described above,
attach the manifold vacuum gauge to the vacuum port and start the engine.
Turn the idle speed screw to increase the RPM, again taking note of exactly
how much you have to turn the screw to open the throttle butterflies
enough for the engine to idle while it's cold. Allow the engine to warm up,
the close the throttle butterflies as much as reasonably possible without the
engine dying. Attach a timing light, check to see how much initial ignition
advance you have and make a note of the figure.
Next, loosen the distributor hold down clamp and turn the distributor so as
to increase the initial ignition advance. When the initial ignition advance is
increased the RPM should rise as well, allowing you to reduce the throttle
butterfly opening. Simply turn the distributor to increase the initial ignition
advance and continue to reduce the throttle butterfly opening until they're
in the original, correct position and the engine is idling at the desired RPM.
Lightly snug the hold down clamp to make sure the distributor can't move,
then adjust the idle mixture needles for best manifold vacuum. Once they're
properly set if the idle RPM is higher than desired, loosen the hold down
clamp and turn the distributor slightly to achieve the desired idle RPM.
Recheck the idle mixture needle position then tighten the hold down clamp.
Once the idle system is setup you'll need to correct the distributor's
advance curve. The first step is to attach a timing light and recheck the
initial ignition advance. Let's say, for example, that it was originally 15 and
now it's 22, a 7 increase. If your total ignition advance was originally 35,
in order to keep that figure the advance curve will have to be shortened by
7. Assuming you have a centrifugal advance system you'll have to limit how
far the advance weights can move outward, which will limit the total
advance. The method required will vary from distributor to distributor, so I
won't get into that here, but any competent technician with a good
distributor machine should be able to do it for you.
If you don't have access to said technician/distributor machine and you can
come up with a way to limit the outward motion of the advance weights,
you can do the same thing using your engine as form of distributor machine.
Limit the motion of the weights somewhat, make sure you have the correct
initial ignition advance then check to see how much total ignition advance
you have. If the total ignition advance is still too high, just continue to limit
the motion of the advance weights until you achieve the desired total figure.
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