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Old 01-20-2003, 02:39 PM
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Does anyone know what that red crap is???Is it just a thickened hydrualic fluid???If so do they use the same crap on Solid cams??

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Comp may be using Red Line synthetic assembley lube, which is what came with my "brown box" cam kit.
Worked fine for me.
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Old 01-22-2003, 03:37 AM
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generally my engs set for a while before they get run in. what i do as i am building is coat the lifter base and the cam lobes with white lithium grease. when its time to fire the eng i remove the dist and use a dist that is modified or a dist drive, depends on which eng. and build oil press. have never lost a cam or lifters in over a thousand installations.
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Got ahold of some green stuff, like maple syurp, runny not at all like the gray stuff. I wonder if this is the same kind of JUNK sold by the parts store as and assembly lube? I will dissemble the engine and use the good stuff. The engine has already set 2 weeks. Thanks for the heads up guys!


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Just a theory here, but what if
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Whoops wrong button. What if you put about two quarts of STP in the pan, one in the filter and prelubed it with a drill. Then allowed that to drain and replace it with regular oil, then fired it up? Think maybe that would flush the red crap out?
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I installed a comp cam with the red lube and fired the car a few weeks later not knowing you have a timeline on it. The cam and lifters were fine after the break in period but the sludge this lube creates in the pan is not even worth using it. I had to flush the system several times to get it all out. I would also recommend not running the motor for more than 15 minutes as it is so thick I believe it would soon start plugging up the sump and other passages. I would recommend their cams but would use another lube to break in the cam and lifters.
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Old 01-22-2003, 09:52 AM
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Hey Monte. If u still have that cam in there and not taken it out yet. I would suggest going to your local parts store and get some lube. I got an engine assembly lube made with moly and graphite. Its like a black paste and that stuff is not going anywhere if u put on your cam .Its made by Stalube and its a 2.75 oz tube thats under $3.00 cheap insurance. so u can use it on your cam and be able to sleep better not knowing if your went dry.
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I have a 427 Chevy engine in my 48 Chevy P/U - I used (2) Comp Cams - I installed them just as they told me to, using there Red goop and I had nothing but problems. The first Cam wiped out 4 lobes with in the first 400 miles-They said that I used the wrong lifters-but they replaced the cam anyways.The second cam went just under 4000 miles took of #8 Exhaust lobe.Sent it back to them,This time they said they couldn't find anything wrong.I used there cam kit,everything was there's-They replaced the Cam & Kit this time. Right now I have a Stock GM Cam in the engine- 427/435HP When I installed the Cam this time I used GM paste and a can of GM EOS so far so GOOD. <img src="graemlins/pain.gif" border="0" alt="[pain]" />
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i just built three engines. all 350's. 2 i used rollers and the 1 i used a comp cam. i haven't had ant problems with comp. cams but there is a secret to comp. cams. before i install a comp cam i soak it in mobil syn. motor oil for 3 days. comp cams have pigments slightly larger than normal. soaking them will allow the oil to soak into the cam and stay there. or at least that's what i've gotten out of it. at any rate it does help the life of the cam. the lube you got with your cam should be used for warrenty purposes.
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Old 01-22-2003, 08:20 PM
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Well I tore it apart today removed the cam cleaned it in Brakeleen,relubed it with the can of crane lube,the stuff I put on every other cam but this one(was worried about the warrantie).I put it all to gather,its sitting now,I just need to clean the intake and put it on and paint the motor and its ready to drop in the car.
Abe,I've got to thank you for the warning about the 5day thing.When I called Comp I told the guy what you said and he confirmed it.Why would they supply something like that,does everyone fire there engine the same day they finish it??? Well anyway after I got the oilpan off I realized that the Prolube does make a nice protective coating for the bottom of the pan or at least thats were all mine was.Oilpan assembly lube???
Well I weighed the GOOD feedback to the BAD feedback about comp,got oppinions rom two sites and there were more good that bad so I decided to use the Comp cam rather than buy another brand.
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Also its a good thing I got nervous over that watery crap.Cause today when I pulled the cam it was pretty dry.That crap gets sticks too like motorhoney.
Naturally with the presure of the valvetrain pressing the lifter down,as the lobe passes the lube will be squezed thin and wiped as the lifter passes.But with the moly-graphite stuff,I figure it will gather at the face of the lifter on the back side and lube the cam each time it passes,and as the lifter rotates it will lube the face,till the breakin is done and the oil has washed it away.With the Comp stuff as it is wiped away its too thin to gather and will drip into the pan leaveing the lifter bare after a few seconds of running.At least thats my oppinion of what will happen.Eather way I've allways used the Crane stuff so I feel safer with it anyway,its thick and stays put.

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I think from this post many of us learned something from it. For most of us we dont build 2-3 or more engines a year unless we have some type of business or something. And its almost guaranteed after we even build an engine, most times it will sit for at least a week or more, simply because we are not in a rush to get it in the car or we have other things more important to do at that time. Even i myself has learned something from this post. I can sum this up. Details and cleanliness is very important. I am building a 300 Horsepower 380 ft lbs stock 350 sbc right now. And its going to be sitting on my engine stand for awhile at least several months. So my new cam and lifters will be coated with the moly graphite lube cause i know it wont leave the surface and find its way on my crank and rods and coat my oil pan like the pro lube from comp cam( thanks for that one monte. LOL ) thanks guys for your posts.

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Just a note. While employed with STP I built several performance engines. I used a 50/50 mixture of oil and STP during installation and soaked the lifters overnight in the same mixture. NEVER LOST A CAM. Also remember to prime the oil pump and system just prior to firing the engine.
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