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Old 02-16-2008, 09:44 AM
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Camaro front clip question

Ok. I'm going to do a 70-81 front steer Camaro clip on a 53 Buick Roadmaster..(this will be fun..first time using a donor car clip)

The clip came to me on a trailer, with the project, so I do not know where the factory designed ride height should be set before I start .
I know the a arms should be close to level, but is there anyone who can give me a real measurement such as where the spindle centerline winds up in relation to the frame rail, or how high the bottom of the ball joint is from a straightedge placed on the bottom of the crossmember. It looks like the bottom of the spring pockets in the lower control arms could wind up being level with the bottom of the crossmember, but I'm guessing.


I had someone tell me that the stop bumper on the lower a arm winds up about 2 fingers away from the bottom of the frame rail.
I'm looking for a little better accuracy than that..

Once I find out where the arms need to be, I'll pull the suspension down to the factory suspension design height with some threaded rod and start measuring things.

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Mikey,When I do my clips,I put the car level at about 2 to 2 1/2'' above ride height.I put it level because it is easier to level the front end.Then I level the front frame on the clip,I sometimes weld a pieces of flat bar to the center cross member level so that I have a place to put my level on,Then I decide where I'm going to cut both frames.That depends on how much I want to zee the frame,In how I want the front to sit.the front clip usually will come down about 2'' to 2 1/2'' with the weight on it.Sorry I don't have more numbers for you to go by.I set them up the way the people want.Or close to it.I think I have done 5 or more last year,And about to do a 57 Chevy again.Hope this help's you out.Anything I can do to help let me know.

P.S. I set my car's up with the springs in the clip,I know other people do it different.But that's alot of extra work.

This is my 57 chevy frame with a camaro clip that I zee.
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Old 02-16-2008, 10:27 AM
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So what you are saying is you allow for the suspension to compress about 2-2.5" after the weight is on the car?

I like the way you level the clip from the crossmember, I have a magnetic level that'll sit right on it while I mess around.

That sounds like a good way. It sounds like it works fine.

The pic of your 57 frame looks like it was designed that way from the factory...

I have also been told that if you start with the bottom of the rear section of the clip being level with the bottom of the existing frame under the floorboards, it will get the car down to a decent ride height on most fat fender 50's cars.


You guys know I'm going to analyze as many ways of doing something before I start.....I'm just that way.

PS..I was checking out your journal...you should start a wiki with your fiberglass fender mold project...Nice work


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Camaro clip

l've got 2 camaros and a T/A in the garage and they all sit at different heights, the 78z sits the highest, whereas the 79 T/A sits the lowest and the 79 camaro is inbetween but the frame rails are level on all 3, now l build a s-10 afew years ago with a 75 camaro clip and l weld them straight on to the back half of the s-10,but if you get back to me if you want and l can give you the measurement of the one you pick, l believe there is a pic of the s-10 in my photos for the stance to look at TROY
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Thanks Mikey,I'm still trying to get this computer think down.I don't weld the camaro frame under the car frame, that I'm putting it on,To me that don't look good,It is super strong,But not for me,I weld my frame's together then I come back over it with plate, I over lap the weld about 4'' to 6'' on each side.All the way around.Then when finish you can bondo it, And can't tell it was done.
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Thanks Troy, probably the 79 T/A would be a good one, This car is getting a 455 Buick motor and it is a heavy car to begin with, so a lower stock car is better..

Also, a measurement from spindle centerline to the ground and then the crossmember to the ground would work as a set of measurements. Then I can subtract the difference and get a height from bottom of C member to spindle C/L...that'll be easy to duplicate the measurements in my shop.

Back in HS a friend of mine had a 78 z28 and his GF had a 79 T/A ..nice pair back then..They would never let me ride in the T/A...I was always too greasy for the light blue interior.


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New Interiors-I don't mean you weld the frame under the original frame.... the legs slip inside the channel, above the bottom plate. Then you trim the front of the stock frame to intersect where the camaro frame kicks up and it naturally overlaps . Many early 50's cars still have vertical channel frames that will allow this...


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[Quote] The pic of your 57 frame looks like it was designed that way from the factory...

That's the name of the game. I was going to bondo it in,But decided not to,I want to see how many people noticed it,(NOT TO MANY DID)
I have a 58 Chevy truck in my album I did with a nova clip.
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New Interiors-I don't mean you weld the frame under the original frame.... the legs slip inside the channel, above the bottom plate. Then you trim the front of the stock frame to intersect where the camaro frame kicks up and it naturally overlaps . Many early 50's cars still have vertical channel frames that will allow this...


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If your lucky it will !!! But it don't alway fall that way.The 58 I did, the Nova was wider then the 58,So I had to blend it into the 58 frame.

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I am really lucky on this one, the frame is within 1/2 " on the outside width at the kickup, and the inside width is spot on.


So my first one will be easy.

Maybe.

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What I do if lacking any other information is that I set the clip on my fixture with some bare wheels on it and install the shocks..then I set the ride height to where the shocks are at approx the half way point of their travel..Then from there I figure out just how much above the scrubline I want the chassis to set and build from that point..That is what I did with the one that is on my fixture at this point..that chassis is setting at its finished level so to speak and I will need to adjust the coil overs to get it to set right when I get the car completed..

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re camaro clip

ok mike here it is T/A spindle center-- 12 1/2 inches back of clip,bottom of frame 5 1/2 inches 400 pontiac and here is the Z-28 spindle center--12 inches back of clip,bottom of frame 7 inches 454 Chev 2 different but l hope it helps the camaro just has a light weight 305 so l didn't measure. TROY
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Thanks Troy, If I understand your measurements correctly it would look like the upper drawing? or the lower?


Thanks again, and thank you Sam, I want to try to keep the front end geometry as close to stock as I can. This is as much an exercise in procedure as well as an attempt to not have to rework something later on. I'm proud to say that I haven't had to rework anything I've done for almost 25 minutes.


I don't want to break that record.


Here is the Bomba...Byron named it Smiley...after my dog



Creampuff...eh?


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Heavens to Murgatroyd..That thing is pristine..

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