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Old 01-16-2010, 02:11 PM
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Can this bench seat be salvaged?

Well here we go. It's about the nastiest seat I've seen- and I own it! I will spare you the gory stuff and cut right to the real damage- the seat wires and springs. The straight wires go from front to rear morphing from zig zag to coil. Zig zag on the front edge then straight at the seat surface then coil at the rear frame. The cover is held on by these half round clips instead of hog rings.

Seat is a plain jane bench from my '65 C-10. My hopes is to shore up the springs then just buy a new cover and wrap it around the updated frame. I DO NOT have any upholstery equipment in my arsenal.

The seat backrest springs (all coil) appear to be in ok shape. Have't removed the cover yet.

Thoughts or prayers?
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Old 01-16-2010, 02:15 PM
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The frame its self looks pretty solid,I would guess that it can be used with enough work.
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Yes, the seat can be repaired. The zig zag springs in the front are basically "kicker" springs to give the front border wire more support. The other wires that go from the front of the seat to the back and end in some kind of coil are the biggest problem. The border wire can either be replaced or repaired. The main reason the wires broke is that there are no tie wires connecting them together horizontally so they act as one unit when sat on.
After all the repairs are done, I would add two tie wires. I think the easiest thing to do would be to replace the straight wires with zig zag springs. You will have to come up with a way to attach the new springs in the rear at the correct height.

Get rid of the burlap flexalator and put a good quality deck pad over the springs when the rest of the repairs are done. Look at this thread: CLICK HERE
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Thanks for the info Dan.

The border wire is broken on the drivers side edge (surprise surprise) and I hope to do a fix with some of the straight wire pieces from the seat surface. The 'kicker' zig zags are one piece with the straight sections which are also one piece with the coils at the back edge. All one piece. So I guess I will cut out the straight sections and replace them with the zig zag springs. Probably have to invest in some pliers and those crimp barrels. What's the proper name for these tools, supplies?

Is this basically what I should do?
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Yes, that's exactly how to fix this seat. Read this thread and you'll get the basics of spring repair: CLICK HERE The clips are called BW clips (borderwire) You'll need to get the biggest ones you can find. There are specific tools to close them, but they can also be closed with a pliers.

What is holding the coil at the back of the spring? Can you take one out and take a picture?
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I wouldn't mind buying a the right tool for the BW clips. Any brands that are made in America? Is 'No-sag' a brand, or a nickname for those pliers? How about the 3-prong pliers?

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No-Sag is the name of a spring manufacturer. I'm not sure of the name of the 3 prong pliers, I'll have to check. There just aren't many places available to you to buy these things.

On the bright side, it looks like you'll be able to use the attachment point for the coils to attach your sinuous wire springs.
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On the bright side, it looks like you'll be able to use the attachment point for the coils to attach your sinuous wire springs.
Yes, this should work out good.

There are no less than 22 springs across this seat. The dilemma, do I make all new zig zags, or cut and splice in just the ones that would replace the 'straight wires'.

Rochford sells 9 gauge sections of sinuous wire that is 16.5" long. Then they sell the rolls of 11 and 8 gauge. My seat needs 20" if I were to splice in, and 34" to re-create the entire spring using all zig zag. You can see the weird 'multi' spring that was used in my seat compared to the ones you made. Kinda similar in shape.

Is it common to stretch the zig zag springs some? Or would this bow the border wire? Maybe just form the springs to length and contour and call it good?

22 springs that are 34" long is about 63 feet of sinuous wire! OR could I go with 8 gauge and drop to every other spring? The seat frame has spring slots that are 2.5" apart all the way across. Right now every slot is used.

The border wire has a nice bow also. Think it would straighten without snapping?

Sorry for all the dumb questions. Oh and, I found the 3 prong pliers for $50.. C.S. Osborne. Made in friggin' Jersey

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The best way , naturally , would be to replace the entire spring, and not patch them in from the borderwire back. I would not remove every other spring. You will not have a problem duplicating these springs, they can be made to be very close to the originals, and a little pulling and spreading will do the rest. Springs need to be stretched a little when they are installed, and as long as you're removing all the springs, I would replace the entire borderwire. All you need is a 12' piece of 9 gauge wire. If you can't find it, I can sell you a piece. I can also sell you the stake wire to tie the springs together. For that matter, I can sell you a roll of 8 or 9 gauge springs. This stuff is not expensive, just P.M. me.
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