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Old 01-28-2004, 09:43 PM
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Canadian TV Program Fifth Estate, Conspiracy Theories Documentary

Anyone else out there see this program?

It was an expose' on some of the bunk conspiracy theory's regarding 9-11, an interesting sideline to the story came to light through their investigation regarding the Saudi Royal family and George Bush.

Anyone who seen the show care to comment?

Made sense to me? Is this common knowledge in the USA? Is this show broadcast across the border?

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Old 01-28-2004, 10:56 PM
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That will be the Dem's big issue in the upcoming election so the Commie press is probably trying it out up there before dumping it down here at some opportune time before the election to do the most damage possible to Bush and the Republicans. Same'0, same 'O.
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:15 PM
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The Fifth Estate is not a 60 minutes type television show, it's more documentary than that. They usually research only the facts and only present hard evidence, the show has very impeccable credentials. The Fifth Estate and David Suzuki's show is about the only other broadcast that I feel I can trust nowadys. One of the most interesting fact that was uncovered was the fact that prior to 9-11 the French Intelligence tried to warn the US and was rebuffed. Explains a lot of why they didn't support the war.

Have a look.

It's certainly interesting.
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:55 PM
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Chuck, man, come on.
Don't you know never to trust media.

Even the local newspaper these days have political agendas and special interest - it's how they make money.

Come on, buddy.
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Old 01-29-2004, 01:46 AM
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Hard to dispute facts with proof...regardless of the agenda. I gather this program has never been shown in the States. Many of the facts presented are taken from publicly available internal US government documents, the website is just a synopsis of the TV program which went into greater detail.

The fact that the Bush family was involved in extensive business dealings with the Bin Laden family is a matter of public record. This kind of accusation in Canada would lead to a vote of "No Confidence" in the house of commons. Have you been following what has been happening with Tony Blair in the UK?

It's looks like a house of cards ready to fall. BTW, what is classified as a commie nowadays?
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Yeah I watched that one last night, it all made sense to me. Even opened my eyes to some interesting facts. And what kind of political agenda could a Canadian based TV program have with the US politics?


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Think about this guys, the CBC is run by the Canadian government. By putting out this stuff the canadian government can see the American government going through some hard times or ties between them and the Saudies failing.

This means we sell more oil at a higher price.

Think realistically people, can anyone even back these facts up?

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4-Jaw, Willys says anyone is not a conservative Republican is a commie.
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Old 01-29-2004, 08:31 AM
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4-Jaw, Willys says anyone is not a conservative Republican is a commie.
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Glad I didn't vote NDP then, that would make me a redneck red.

I thought that is was interesting that the US government "blacked out" portions of their own congressional investigation when the money trail pointed to Saudi Arabia and the only planes allowed to leave the ground on 9-11 were Saudi Nationals returning home on private jets...one of whom was Bin Ladens brother that had been in a meeting with GWB that morning!? No questioning at all!

Since the US is at War I have found the news reporting to have hit the dumpster and now watch international news, there is a lot of misinformation on US TV these days. Same thing happened in the Gulf War, the media is completely controlled.

Very scary boys and girls, obviously the average US citizen will never hear of it because of the media being completely controlled during wartime.
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I don't want to argue about this but I just have a question.

The first plane hit the WTC at 8:45 and Bush was in Fl reading to kindergartners. I'm not sure but I would assume that he came from DC that morning. So you assume it takes him 2 - 2 1/2 hours to load Air force One, fly to FL, unload, and drive to the school you're looking at leaving the White House at approximately 6:15-6:45. That does not leave much time to meet with an important Saudi leader.


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Our economy is so dependent on imported oil that every leader through our last 40 years has been tiptoeing around the oil expoting nations. If we had to pay 4 bucks a gallon for fuel our economy would go into a tailspin like has never been seen before. Our country realizes there are some things we cannot control, pucker up and hope for the best. I read a bit on the article you posted, the pentagon missele theory was bogus. The pentagon was built in such a way (a discovery show a few years back) as to make any attack damage mininumnal. There's going to be theories, expose's, Kennedy assination crap for years. It makes a slow day in the news world exciting. Dan
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Yes, our media is controlled for sure. If you believe our evening news shows and major newspaper editorials, George Bush should be taken out and shot IMMEDIATELY. Listening to NBC,CBS, CNN, & ABC, Bush knew all about 911 and did nothing, Knows exactly where Bin Laden is and is waiting 'til just before the election to capture him, knew Hussein had no weapons and was never a threat to the West but attacked anyway to avenge his father's humiliation in the Gulf war and to get oil for Vice President John Chaney, and post-war Iraq is such a disaster that the people would have been far better off under their benefactor Hussein than under the oppressive, imperialistic American occupation forces.

As far as 'only the facts' reporting in the media goes, there were well documented and proved investigative reports that Regan had Bush senior fly to Iran and negotiate the release of hostages AFTER he took office, etc., ad nausea until you would DEMAND that any Republican leader be taken out and shot immediately. Sorry but I put no stock in anything the major media says. I have personally been involved as a target of local news investigative reports, having worked in the politically incorrect oil business my whole career, and I can assure you, the reporters get virtually EVERY fact wrong in those reports. Even the complementary facts are screwed up beyond recognition. Realize, reporters are typically idealistic with socialist leanings, thus a bias going in, have a nearly useless liberal arts degree if any, have never held a real job and are ignorant of the technical details of everything they encounter.

I believe Bush did the prudent thing in Iraq based on all of the information available to him. Bill Clinton was even more forceful in his contention that Hussein had weapons and was a threat to the world. Essentially all of the intelligence agencies in the world, including France, Germany, and Russia, believed it too. After war was declared on the United States and it was attacked resulting in the death of over 3000 innocent citizens not to mention huge damage to the economy, Bush laid down the gauntlet - you are either on our side or you will suffer sever consequences. There is no middle ground, nor should there be. Since Hussein refused to comply with the surrender conditions of the Gulf war, Bush had no choice but to finish the job. ANY country not cooperating with the war on terror and that harbors terror will be attacked and reformed. Survival of the Western World depends on total victory in this war.

Bush will lose the election partly due to the constant drum beat of the above dirge, but more importantly, due to the damage he is doing to the country on the domestic front. The biggest 'education' pork bill in history, the biggest welfare program since FDR in the Medicare bill, open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens, campaign finance reform which prevents free speech 30 days before an election, etc., has driven away his conservative Republican base and many sane Democrats.

And yes, anyone who isn't exactly like me IS a commie - includes but not limited to anyone who likes/plays soccer (the ultimate commie game), anyone who uses/understands the metric system, anyone who doesn't love and drive a Willys gasser with early hemi and nose high stance, anyone who doesn't think they quit playing real baseball when Sandy Koufax retired, Anyone who doesn't think the Rams are the best football team in history, anyone who likes lima beans, and anyone who thinks they have cuter grandkids than I do. All hard core commies.
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Willys, I thought that if I pulled your chain I would really get you going. Well I did to an extent, but that last column just turned it around on me. We may not share the same political views but you are OK. Oh, one other thing, What college are the Rams from???
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Chuck, I read a very large portion of that link you posted. I have to say, it is definitely a piece of work. As far as the TV program, sorry, haven't seen it, but I can guess that the link you supplied supported it. Here's my spiel on the 'conspiracy theory' phenomenon.

There are some questions of credibility that remain unanswered if a conspiracy really did take place. For one, human conscience. If you were a government official in a high position who was 'ordered' to carry out an attack on your own country to make it look like it was from the outside, pointing blame at a country that you wanted to go to war with eventually, wouldn't you feel the least bit guilty about all of the American lives you are about to waste? Wouldn't we hear about mass suicides of government officials who couldn't deal with what they'd done? After all, regardless of duty to our country, we are all human with emotions and we all deal with consequences. If I was ordered to kill a bunch of airline passengers and keep quiet about it so we could get more oil, I would either not do it and be executed (middle east style) or I would do it, feel bad, and commit suicide.

These are elected officials that we put in government to protect us. We would all feel like idiots for not seeing through their greedy charades when we voted for them in the first place. I doubt anyone thought Bush was capable of this kind of treason when we voted for him. So either every American who voted for him is an idiot for not seeing this, OR, he is among the most brilliant tricksters (for lack of a better word) of our time and can now do whatever he wants.

The question is, why would someone else want us to believe that? If they wanted us to believe it so bad, would they go so far as to make up an elaborate story to justify their accusations?

By the way, who DID kill JFK??????? Same instance. Different decade.

Now to the other 'supporting' unanswerables. Can anyone tell me what the he!! is up with this picture?
I never saw any pieces of a plane. Judging by the debris I saw flying from the other side of the WTC's from the actual 747 impacts, I'd say that there should be a pretty considerable amount of crap spread about. Not to mention wingspan damage.

The only answer I have to all of this, is DON'T ASK!! You will more than likely turn your life into a really bad episode of X-Files. You will hear millions of versions of 'what REALLY happened', but the odds of you ever putting together pieces to find 'the TRUTH' are slim to none.

Good post Chuck. I'm spent.


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If you want to see unbiased and credible news reports, check out C-span on channel 350, if you have DSS. When the Iraq invasion was going on , C-span aired European and Asian news and you would swear that CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS were reporting about a different planet.

At the start of the Iraq invasion, NBC reported that Bush ordered all US news media not to air any negative reports about the war, or they would face the consequences.

This kind of corruption and cover up is is a global plague, though. From the tiniest island, to the major super powers, greed runs every government on the planet. The military powers throughout history were never meant to protect the population , but to protect greedy governments from other greedy governments. If the moon had civilizations and wealthy resources we would be trying to annihilate their populations at this very moment, supposedly for some humanitarian reason or for our own protection. Invasion and military has always been a political means to a monetary end.

Just take a look at history. The Incas, the Aztecs, the American Indians, South Africa, etc. Modern governments have learned to use media to buffer the truth,and giving legitimate cause to their military bullying, such as The War on Drugs, The War on Communism, The War on Slavery, The War on Terrorism. Wars to establish Democracy, Foreign Aid, etc.

Billions of our tax dollars are p!ssed away, so that some billionaire ruler can get more. Then at election time the rich donate millions of dollars to keep their billionaire friends in power. They buy media coverage to assure us that they are deeply concerned about out trivial little problems, and they will not throw our hard earned tax dollars at the hog troughs of their rich friends. All is forgiven and forgotten. Political correctness allows grand larceny and murder to go unaccounted for. Hillary and Bill stole $90 million in the White Water scandal alone, but public alarm was hushed quickly, because voters were more concerned whether Bill lied about getting a blow job or not.

Theft, lies, extortion, and conspiracy are softened up as: possible misappropriation, misrepresentation, and poor judgment. You and I would not only be fired and blackballed for that kind of performance, we would get several life-terms in prison.

Only a month ago, George W. awarded his buddy Dick, a contract to rebuild Iraq. Dick was accused of overcharging by $360 million. But poor Dick replied that his suppliers overcharged Haliburton, so all was forgiven, without question or further investigation. Most of the tax money spent in the world goes to some medical supplier, arms manufacturer, consulting firm, contractor,etc., with huge kickback going back to the source, and only a trickle going to the welfare of the taxpayer. There is no accountability in government, and their greed is insatiable.

What makes a multimillionaire, who never had a job till he was 40, run for president? Maybe it's the $400K salary. What makes an old billionaire with failing health, who should be enjoying retirement, run for vise president. Maybe he just needs to keep busy. After stealing $90M in the White Water scandal, Senator Hillary may run for president. Maybe she just wants to help out the mistreated women of the country. In Canada, the billionaire CEO of Magna Corp. has announced that she will run for prime minister. Does she really need the extra $200k salary?

WHY? WHY? WHY do people vote for these criminals??????

Sorry Chuck, didn't mean to talk your ear off,

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