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Car dealers are crooks

I just found out through my dad that the my little sister just bought a new car. I had given her my old 1984 blazer with a 2 year old target master, and rebuilt 700r4. It was in good shape when I gave it to her. It had a 2 year old paint job and new leaf springs also. Turns out the dealer only gave her $1000.00 for the trade. For some reason she didnt get ahold of me and give me a chance to buy it back for the $1000.00 . I am bummed out. They also hosed her on the price of the car and the interest.

Car dealers are scumbags.

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Old 11-30-2005, 04:32 PM
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you are just finding out the fact that car dealers are scum bags now?
I've only have only bought two cars in my life from a lot, my cutlass was a real lemon, but I was young and didn't know better. Even caught fire under the hood one day, that was interresting. Worse though is how they usually try to screw anyone who gets service done by them. I am not the best mechanic in the world, but do all my own work. After seeing some of the incompetent shops when my now ex girlfriend needed her car fixed, maybe I am not as bad a mechanic as I think. I fixed a problem one shop couldn't fix after having the car a month, and the dealer they towed it to wanted 400 bucks to replace the whole wiring harness and wouldn't guarantee it would fix it. The rental of a tow dolley and paying the dealer just to hook it up to their machine cost more then fixing the broken fuel pump wire and putting in a used constant control relay module.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:49 PM
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I absolutely disagree. My brother is a car dealer and he certainly is not a crook. Is the Blazer a full size or an S-10 Blazer? Being an experienced salesman myself, there is no way in the world you would allow much more than a grand for a 22 year old vehicle.

I'm sure that it was worth much more than that to you personally and you spent quite a bit of money on it, but it's still just an old vehicle to a new car store.

They will only put low wholesale into it so they can just wholesale it to another used car dealer.

The car business is tough. We have ran a family owned car lot for 10 years now. Everybody thinks they get a lifetime warranty with any old used car they buy. If you change the oil in it and the radio quits working the next week, somehow that's our fault.

When it comes to bargaining, that's up to the salesman and the buyer. If your sister "rolled over", then she should have had better representation when she made the deal.

I don't know the details of your particular deal, and I don't know what your blazer looks like , but it's a little offensive when you say that all car dealers are crooks when I've been once myself and my brother is one and he's not a crook.

I know that's the concensus out there, and John Q. Public thinks all dealers are crooks, but anybody that's been in the business knows how tough it is.

Any car we sell is expected to be a good car with no trouble. If something is wrong after the sale, we do our best to help the customer. If their trade in blows up, then we take it in the shorts.

It costs tons of money to run a dealership. The open lot insurance on our rinky dink hometown lot runs over $10,000 per year, then there is garage keeper's insurance, interest on the floorplan, bonds, the cost of the dealer license, not to mention the cost of employees and all the rest.

A new car dealership would be staggering to run in terms of dollars it takes to operate the place.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:50 PM
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It all depends on how much you know and how you act when you go in.

I'm sorry to say it, but the book value on the Blazer was probably only $1000-$1500. It's a 20 year old vehicle, they just aren't worth anything unless it's a collector's item. That being said, you are right, your sister should have just sold it back to you for $1500-$2000 dollars and used that to pay down the loan she just got to avoid interest.

When I bought my new truck, I went in when they were trying to clear out their old inventory. They were also behind in their quotas for the month. The sales manager needed to dump all their trucks so I got a very good deal on mine. I talked him into all the rebates that were advertised, plus the low interest rate! I threatened to walk out right as I was about to sign the papers and got an extra few thousand taken of the top Icing on the cake was having them pay me for a trade in to leave my car there which had barely started that afternoon, and the differential was howling more than a dog with a broken foot.
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Not only did the crook give her a $1000 for the car you can bet your bottom dollar the crook also added the $1000 to the cost of the new car somewhere.

One of my best friends owns a Ford dealer and although I love this guy like the brother I never had and his honesty and integrity is beyond reproach (Outside the dealership) When doing business at the dealership he will get you every time. Not me as I won't buy from him, I use the Internet instead.

His answer to me referring to him as a thief? Its business!

Who do they prey on, Old folks that trade and will pay sticker and they love people with bad credit or who are upside down on what they owe on their trade in.

NAIRB--At least I'm being honest and calling a spade a spade!
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my wife worked at one of them for a while ..hated it but the slime in their prime would play their motivation song before they went out on the floor
I dont know the name of the song or artist cause I dont listen to that crap but it went

im a A $$ hole why dont you kill me..bla bla bla yadda yadda ya

people shouldn't get so literal around me

i'd say "I can make that happen slime boy"

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Old 12-01-2005, 01:01 AM
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John. I have one for sale for her and I fixed the leak

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Old 12-01-2005, 11:13 AM
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My middle son....

is breaking into sales. He is going to motivational seminars for this whole week to build him up to sell vacuums. I have told him it's a scam and to use what he learns to motivate himself into regular sales if that what he wants to do. I'm sure sometime this week they will try and sell him a $2000 vacuum to have as a demonstrator. I told him to walk away from these people when they try and sell to him.


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A $2000 vacuum cleaner???

Holy cow, for that kind of money I can buy an extra 454 for my vette.
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Kirby vacuums? Had a friend that tried selling for them, he lasted about 3 weeks, sold 4 vacuums, he wasn't tough enough to screw people. There was a base line on these vacuums (which, btw, are very good vacuums, imo)$400 got you $20 comission, $2000 for the works made you around a grand. Bottom line, everyone wants to make a living, there are scumdogs in most every trade, buyer beware, do your homework. I've seen some pretty intelligent people get bent over and porked on a bad decision on a sale. Dan
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The blazer was a full size one. People used to offer to buy it from me all the time.

I used to sell cars also. I had a partner and we had a thrift type lot cars were in the $2000.00 to $10000.00 range. It was a hard business and after a year I got out (this is where I got my no good deed goes unpunished saying) , my partner 5 years later had a heart attack and died. I got to know a lot of dealers and not all are bad but not all are good. Out of the ten small car dealers that I know, only one is dead honest. One has hidden over a quarter mil cash from the feds, one is in jail, another is what I would call a little shady. The rest are just trying to make a living.

What I am upset about is that this particular dealer sold my sister a $14,000.00 car to her for $18,000.00. They also have an in house finance department that is getting 15% on this loan. She went by herself and these guys took advantage of her. This type of deal happened to my wife before we got married. After we were married I ended up with a car that was worth about $5000.00 and the balance of the loan was $18,000.00. If thats not crooked I dont know what is. She was also paying 18% interest. Guess what, she went in by herself too.

I could go on but I gotta get back to work

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When my wife and I decided to buy our first car together, we were almost screwed by a big name local dealer. This was November of 1997 and we all know how tuff the holiday time is to sell a car anywhere. We went and looked at *ABC* Auto to look at a '96 4 door Century with around 9,000 miles on it. Nothing fancy. They wanted, I think, around $12,000 for it. Well we liked it, got back to the dealership, and started filling out the paperwork. Then they wanted $500 down to hold it in case someone else wanted the same car. Then another $1,000 for undercarriage rustproofing, then another $4,000 for an extended warranty. Then they wanted to tack some other crap on as extra stuff to be done by them, I think along the lines of a safety check and a detailing at our expense. I said forget it when the financed balance hit around $18- 20,000 for a $12,000 car.


We shopped after hours for a couple of weeks, then her brother wanted me to check out a '96 Ram for him. I said sure. Right beside it was a '93 Chevy 1500. I didn't even really notice it. Offhanded, I asked about a truck. Had to be extended cab for her and have a manual and be GM for me. I told him 2 or 4 wheel drive, V6 or V8, it didn't really matter. Chevy was preferred, and I figured a V6 could be replaced when I blew it up. If you really know how to drive (and have decent tires) in winter, 2wd is fine. The sales guy just told me to turn around. V6, 5 speed and 2wd all with an extended cab. All that for the low price of $9,999. It had 68,000 miles on it when we bought it. December 12, 1997. One day early for the wife's birthday. Funny thing was, she had never driven a stick....


Almost a month later, we went to the Buick's dealer lot with the unfinished paperwork. Guess what, the same exact car in the exact same spot that we parked it in. I'm thinking that it wound up at a private auction somewhere. I refuse to be shafted by a dealer. Educate yourself before going. Leave your present car at home. And most important, be firm when they start to pressure you.



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[QUOTE=NAIRB]I absolutely disagree. .......

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AGREE....... Ya what he said........

Everybody wants something for nothing..... typical "new America".

Does anybody ***** that Wal Mart buys "foreign" goods and resells them for 7-12 times that actual price they pay for them?.. (I know a buyer for WM)
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