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Old 11-15-2005, 12:25 PM
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Carpet Binding ?

Sorry, I seemed to have posted this in the wrong area.

Having trouble trying to bind carpet with vinyl. Vinyl does not seem to want to go around corners, even when I clip it in the inside curve.

Maybe we could impose on Krist to do a instructional piece, with pictures, like the fiberglass tutorial he did before. That would be a great help to me and probabally others.

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Binding Carpet is a little bit of an art and a little science. I have a machine set up just for carpet binding and use a tape that is run through a folder. But here is how I used to do it before the equipment simplified it.

1st thing is the carpet pile height. This varies greatly the higher th height the more difficult the sew and length of strip needed to bind over the edge. Typical height is 1/4"

2nd thing is Weave type. Cut pile VS Woven. The cut pile is the fuzzy flat and the woven has the loop of the thread of the carpet pile together as it travel in and out of the backing. Cut piles have a softer surface when binding over than Wovens.

3rd is the backing. Open backed VS latex backed. Most automotive grade carpet is latex backed. Open backed carpets are more compliant on the corners and Bias (angle cuts across roll width)

All this being said here is how you bind a corner.

Cut vinyl strips on an ANGLE across roll. This allows it to stretch more during a roll over. Be aware that you need to be more careful during the first sew down or you will add a curl in the carpet during the first sew. The binding strip width should equal the width that you want the binding to be on the top view time 2 as it accounts for the salvage and the top surface+ the pile height+ then again the top width 1/4 for the underside catch area unless you are doing a second sew and in that case add another 1/4" totaling 1/2" extra.
The reason for the underside being so large is so that it will allow the corners to not over strain on still have material to catch in a second sew if wanted.

The Binding is sewn on vinyl face down. When you get to a corner FEED alittle extra vinyl in and outboard corner (about an 1/8 of an inch per inch) so you have some give when you pull around and under. Pull alittle when you go in an inboard corner so it doesn't compress and wrinkle.

Depending on the Pile on cut pile I have a beard trimmer with height attachments that I use to cut the pile back alittle on the higher carpet.

If the carpet backing is not stiff I will sew a contour panel in the corners (poster board or thin sheet of ABS) Use largest stitch your machine will go.

I apply a little glue to the back side of the carpet to the backing and alittle to the back side of the vinyl with an acid brush. Be careful not to get the stuff everywhere. If you are not going to second sew on the top od the binding glue should be applied heavier for a permanent fix.

Heat the vinyl with a heat gun or a hairdryer and pull the corners around first
Then go to the straight areas working from the corner to the center. This allows you to work the top surface smooth.

Then I spray the carpet back side with Silicone spray so it wont stick to my machine bed and apply the sew the second sew an 1/8" to 1/4" from the inside binding edge.
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Carpet Binding Problems

Thanks for responding.

I tried to bind carpeting that I installed, and also tried to bind floor mats in same vehicle, but had problems.

Didn't realize that vinyl needed to be cut on the bias like most cloth materials require.

Where did you get your binder attachment for your machine? I would like to get one, maybe would help situation. Any recommendations?

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I have my attachments made by a Mechanic in one of our sew plants. I believe there was a company called American machine attachments, They were out of New Jersy if I remember correctly. I havent delt with them in about 20 years but they made all kinds of double and single folders. There are also a few companies that make machines with roller feeds that for carpet only. But I haven been able to get ahold of my buddy that has one to ask him who made his. Just give the web a search they shouldnt be that hard to find.
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