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Old 12-13-2012, 10:46 AM
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We know that E85 adds moisture to fuel in storage.That the blue Stab-bil is the way to remove and stabilize the fuel removing the moisture.

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Re: cheap power

I would have said if asked that fuel density is the number of carbon to carbon bonds per litre of fuel.
I do think that gasoline/petrol has much too many that's why engine exhausts need a cat'
I also feel that the oxygen in ethanol improves the combustion.
The problem with petrol/gasoline is every sample is different, I never liked organic chemistry because you never new what was in a sample.
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We know that E85 adds moisture to fuel in storage.That the blue Stab-bil is the way to remove and stabilize the fuel removing the moisture.

If you mean ethanol is hyroscopic it is it won't mix with gasoline unless it's chemically dried. Chemically drying ethanol is very expensive and very energy intensive and quite pointless ethanol fuel burns well enough with 2% water in it. If you leave E85 in an open container it will absorb water from the air and the gas will separate out. once its got that 2% its happy. In Brazil they sell ethanol 2% water (Alkohol in Portuguese) in every gas station and it's cheap really cheap.
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when you us a fuel that it take 30% more to do the same as the old fuel and to get a gallon of said fuel takes 2+ gallons of the old fuel to make one gallon of the new fuel..
you are wasting energy..
in other words if you have to burn 2 gallons of fuel to get one gallon and then that one gallon only will go 2/3rd of the same distance as the old fuel you used to form the new fuel..
you can't sustain that.. and it's a fools game..
as far as e85 being cheaper than race fuel.. it is not..
and never will be... you pay the difference in your taxes as they subsidize ethnol.. and that will be on the cutting block as the us is broke..
the true cost of ethnol need to be reported.. cause it is a wastefull fuel to bring to market.. and very costly once you take the subsides away...
you know the subsides everyone wants to take from the oil companies...
Ethanol is less energy dense than petrol/gasoline but it is often proportionally cheaper so you should do the same miles per gallon. I think the gasoline subsidies should come off too
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Ethanol is less energy dense than petrol/gasoline but it is often proportionally cheaper so you should do the same miles per gallon. I think the gasoline subsidies should come off too

it's not cheaper.. never has been and never will be.. fuel of the future..
fuelcell cars are... and if it wasn't for politics g.m. volt would be a fuelcell car.. obama had the project shelved...
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Re: Cheap power

The days of petroleum products like petrol/gasoline being the cheapest fuels to use are gone, its time we all manned up, crude oil is running out. An engine can be built that has the HP and do the mileage of a petrol engine. Most of the tuning tricks that have been learned with petrol engines. petrol is just a mixture of random organics. We can easily put a blend together a mixture that is cheaper than petrol has been for years.
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The days of petroleum products like petrol/gasoline being the cheapest fuels to use are gone, its time we all manned up, crude oil is running out. An engine can be built that has the HP and do the mileage of a petrol engine. Most of the tuning tricks that have been learned with petrol engines. petrol is just a mixture of random organics. We can easily put a blend together a mixture that is cheaper than petrol has been for years.
not this b/s again.. wasn't we to run out in like 85 and then it was like 97,
then 2004, come on..

ethnol takes more energy to make than it produces.. a fuelcell.. can get it's fuel from water.. and when you take the fuel out you still are left with 100% water.. and the emissions is water.. ethnol is a fools game.. even use'n ethnol to heat the sugars to make ethnol. it takes more fuel to go through the prossess to get ethnol.. than you make.. 1/2 acre of crops makes 22-26 gallons of ethnol.. but you'll burn 37-42 gallons try'n to make that 22-26 gallons.. not very bright.. and wastefull..
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not this b/s again.. wasn't we to run out in like 85 and then it was like 97,
then 2004, come on..
We won't ever actually run out, the cost effectiveness of getting that oil as petrol/gasoline to the pump at a price that the oil companies think we'll pay. All that really happened in 85 and then in 2004 was the people who ran the countries wanted more bribe money to keep on selling it and 2004 wasn't that the first Gulf war? I'm sorry our oil crisis's tend to have different dates in England The only to options I can see is either Anaxing the middle east I'm sure they'd be better off being Brits/American we've even got armies there OR we could make our own oil and let them get on with it ( I like 2 we Brits did something like option 1 in the 19th Century)
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Re: cheap power

I all comes down to how. The exact process matters an example is the way some American distilleries produce ethanol fuel. Electricity powered stills distilling corn bought on the food market the ethanol dried so it can mix with gasoline. If you tried you couldn't think up a more inefficient process you wouldn't do it except it was a Presidential request. Only fuel subsidy's make it doable. A far cry from the farmer/moonshiner with a still in his barn that was the Image in Obama's mind. The corn grown on the farm, the corn cobs firing the boiler the model T' in a shed to use it. Trying to industrialize that process has only introduced and magnified inefficiencies. If one now imagines that same barn moved to the other side of the corn field, adjacent to a gas station on an interstate the output of the still filling a gas pump.
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Bio desiel is the only one that will work and can be done at home since no store or gas station sells this mythgas you speak of.
No one sells this mythical blend yet but you in the States can at least buy the components and mix it up yourself not much of a chore for a Hot Rodder 90% ethanol and 10% biodiesel with that formulation you should have much of the mileage of gas and less of the hydroscopic nature of ethanol. The ATF will also give you a licence to distil pure ethanol.

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Re: cheap power

The issue is that if you have an engine/motor tuned or rebuilt to have high compression can cheaply convert it to E85, then by running on E85, and not having to buy Race Gas or octane enhancers, save lots of money. Or if your State emission laws have ruled your hot rod, outlaw again change over to E85. My engine conversion cost me just 33.97 that's a full carb rebuild kit, two main jets and two idle jets.

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