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cheapest way to get horsepower

Im 17 and dont have much income and im not very experienced with motors but i am learning, but any way i was wondering what the cheapest way to get horsepower is?

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n2o is fine as long as you don't go crazy. If you put a 250hp kit on a stock engine you will say adios to the engine in short time.
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as i've posted in a previous thread

1. less weight = more power. Toolbox take it out, strip what you dont need out.

2. tuning = free power. All the parts in the world wont make a car go good unless it's tuned properly (spk plugs, any leaks, timing, fuel filter, air fuel mix ratio, it's all tuning) ps dont' go out and but the platinum ones, they cost me a 1/2 in the quarter, leave them to the computers and jap crap.

3. on the friday before you go showing off the car, dont' fill the tank. Put a half at most, more fuel equals more weight, and splurge a little and get a bottle of octane boost, 1/2 tank, 1/2 bottle. less weight the same power.

4. junkyards are your friend. try a set of gears, from a yard their usually cheaper, and it's a better kick in the *** than more power in some cars. (remember that speedos can be out of calibration after and all that other fun stuff, but for go fast it'll work.)

5. running cats? cut them out (hacksaw if necessary) and buy some flex tubing from crappy tire if you have to (aka cheap). But any converter from '79 'll probly be plugged or choking the power. Plus it'll help your rice rocket ***** kicker sound you want.

6. read, read, read, read, and read some more. There are so many tuning tips out there (aka this forum) and learn. sometimes just trying something out makes all the difference, plus you'll seem more like a car guru to everyone else if you make it go better for nothing.

7. increment the timing in steps till you get the best feeling in the seat of your pants : im running an 82 olds cutlass ciera fwd at 14 -16 degress (dunno Im off the wheel) but it's definitely better for that cam and motor combo (no it's not stock anymore)

8. Have fun, cool cars are harder to come by these days and remember that if you look after it, the car will be there when your done school and can put all those parts on. Plus the more you pi$$ around with the motor, the more you'll be ready to accomplish later when you do get those parts. (so you wont look like a goof I know who spent 1250 on a motor and went slower in the 1/4 ...fool he was yes)



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well its the stock smogged down 305, the only thing it had done was a double roller chain and a cam out of a 3/4 ton truck really lumpy. i was going to change the exhaust sooner or later

headers/flowmasters/ 2 1/4" but dont have the money

i also remember somebody maybe from these boards telling me that you can buy springs for your distributor that can add or take away peformance...
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Nitrous + Cubic Inches = Most bang for the buck

Cadillac 500 + Nitrous = Torqus Maximus
Chevy 454 + Nitrous = Rattus Maximus

No need for low gears, high stall speed and all of that other stuff if you use the above formula. You will need good mechanical skills to replace the broken driveline parts plus some good tires and suspension.
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well i just got a posi trac for it with 273's so i know im going to get good gas mileage so swapping the gears is out, and we have a full shop and spray booth so im covered there as well
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K&N air filter and a good air cleaner to hold it. When your engine can breath it will do wonders.
Maybe look into a Ram Air Box
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I think an important thing to always match engine components. What I mean is to make sure everything is working well together. This means using a cam and heads and gears and torque converter (and lots of other stuff) that are meant to be used in a similar combo. If for example, you put in a huge cam in a stock engine, you will end up with a slower car. When all the important parts match up, the car will be faster.
The problem is that this is easier said then done. Luckily, there are sites like this one with lots of learned people that will give you educated opinions on different combos.
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mileage

Don't assume a set of high gears automatically equals great gas mileage. I have 2.73's and even with a 1:1 final drive ratio on the trans, I am revving below the cam range on the highway, therefore I get worse mileage due to the wasted fuel when I try to speed up. Hope I conveyed my idea well, I am not an expert, but this is what I have noticed on my and several other people's cars...
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NOS????

Not to cut anyone down

But I'm taking a stand.

Why the heck does everyone reach for the giggle gas?????
NO IT IS NOT CHEAP.. Last time I checked prices at the pump were pretty darn high, not to mention filling that blue bottle every 2 runs can't be that cheap. Plus how much BANG for your buck is good when you count worn out rings and blowing a rod 'cause you were tuning and it wasn't quite right. Sorry guys and gals but I've always worked with what I got.

'sides when I was 17 there was no way in hell I could afford it.
I'm 20 now and I'm glad I didnt do nos, I learned more than a mickey mouse power in a bottle, by hittin the books and working with it.

there My rant is done...sorry

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Cheapest way? Toss that 305 and inject a Big block. Then you have a nice base to add on to. "There's no substitute for Cubic dollar$"
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I think "NAAWWSSSS STICKERS" would actually be a better bang for the buck!!!!
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Re: NOS????

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Not to cut anyone down

But I'm taking a stand.

Why the heck does everyone reach for the giggle gas?????
NO IT IS NOT CHEAP.. Last time I checked prices at the pump were pretty darn high, not to mention filling that blue bottle every 2 runs can't be that cheap. Plus how much BANG for your buck is good when you count worn out rings and blowing a rod 'cause you were tuning and it wasn't quite right. Sorry guys and gals but I've always worked with what I got.

'sides when I was 17 there was no way in hell I could afford it.
I'm 20 now and I'm glad I didnt do nos, I learned more than a mickey mouse power in a bottle, by hittin the books and working with it.

there My rant is done...sorry

Sorry, but you are wrong. I'm not a big fan of Nitrous because it's just too easy, but if you want to go really fast with a minimal cash outlay upfront it's the way to go. Sure you've got to refill your bottle and sure it's hard on parts, but I've had even cheap engines hang in there fairly well with the stuff provided you don't get too carried away with the dosage.
I don't care what you say, if you do some basic prep with a 454, and some forged pistons, and a nitrous kit, it's gonna fly. A supercharger will run 2500.00 alone. Refilling your bottle is kind of like rent-to-own horsepower but it works.

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