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Old 04-05-2009, 01:10 PM
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Cheese Grater?

I have heard about a cheese grater, cost wise is $2.00, suppose to knock down primers alot faster! What is it and where do you purchase one? (I need a pic of it|) Thanks, Dana

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body shops, napa, etc its well like a cheese graters except is narrow and long and has a handle knob on both ends

some are long and some are short, are different sizes


good for knocking down fresh body filler

not for hardened set filler though

i have a couple laying around

do a search on amazon.com real quick they have pics
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a cheese grader is exactly like an actual "cheese" grader. You use it similar to how you would use a long board to sand, except you use this while the bondo is still soft to knock off the high spots really fast and get it to shape. I dunno when the right time to use it is, but I wait until the bondo is just a tiny bit tacky, but already is very firm.
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It is called a "Sure Form" tool.

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My personal opinion is if you are using a cheeze grader you are using too much filler! I own one, to use once a year or something on some "tow truck" or something like that. The rest of the time, don't use so much filler and you won't have to use it to cut it down.

And it is for cutting plastic filler ("Bondo") NOT primer, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER would it, could it, be used for primer.

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RE: Cheese Grater?

Just my opinion, but the cheese grater is a waste. I learned about it my first day of school, but have never seen any body guy use it at any of the shops I've been at. Seems like you're better off using a mud hog to take down what you need. Faster and I've seen guys do some pretty amazing things with an 8 inch pad.
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iv used cheese grater with great sucess , if you working a killed quarter pane or something similar it will save you alot of time i didnt go to scholl but iv been in the body buisness for about 4 years now and i use it once a week it takes some practice but once you get the hang of it it really saves alot of time
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They work real good if you catch the filler at just the right
time, it'll grate off just like cheese, really fast.
great for a large area that needs to be leveled.
Usually only good for the first filler application.
You can do just about the same thing with 36 grit paper.
Catch the filler at just the right hardness and the 36
will grate it off. That's what I usually do now.
Just for initial leveling of the first filler application.
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As soon as you're done with the Surform file, clean it with a wire brush or you'll have to soak it in lacquer thinner to get the hardened filler out of it. I hadn't used mine in probably ten years since I learned how to metal bump. Since I've been working with fiberglass refrigerated trucks, I've dug them back out and it sped up the process substantially. Catch the filler just as it sets up and the surform file works like a champ. Wait too long and it doesn't work at all.
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IMO, if you need the use of a "Sure Form" tool you are applying Bondo far too thick.

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cheez grater/file

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This tool was used a lot in the past with all the great mud slingers
When mud was cheap and you didn't have the time to knock out the dents or fix the holes in used cars for example
I once worked in a used car body shop learned some crude methods of how to fix coverup a mess just to sell it.Pile the filler on and grate it off (when it's in the rubber state) before it gets rock hard Another good thing that came out of this was the the filings could be saved and used when filling a hole that was too big to be filled with just filler. Just mix the shaving into the filler then you could really pour on the mud and file it again
Don't get me wrong this is NOT a GOOD WAY to do quality work but that wasn't what the boss was after (MOP&GLOW) was the goal
The cheez file was a great tool for that Not much use for this type of work today.
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Google, The Keys to Metal Bumping, but it, read it and apply the principles to your own sheetmetal work. You'll be glad you did.
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The Keys to Metal Bumping is a great book, but it has pictures of cars from the 1950's!!!
Can't they freakin' update it?+
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You can also get them at Home Depot. I was looking for some sanding discs yesterday and ran across a Sureform tool; I believe it was 'Stanley' brand.
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I believe they are really a woodworking tool. My dad had one years ago for working with wood.
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