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Well !!!! I can promise you this... If you think for one Min this will save the world... Think again... Yes you may knock down the big Oil industry's with this.. And stop the demand for oil... But what will you be creating next... The big rich men on top will get their hands in this and you will have to play BIG $$$$ some how.... So Your cutting off one arm for the other... You will save NOTHING in the long run... Wake up People...Push even more people out of work .... That should really help America...


And you say you enjoy working on cars... YEA RIGHT !!! You will be lucky if you will even be able to change the tires ANYMORE...

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Thank you Brian for those kind words and your 100% correct. I have no agenda for promoting EVs, as I mentioned, no investments in either the cars or the batteries. I do however like to share any of my automotive interests with like minded souls. If me, as a devout gearhead, learned about a car like the Tesla Model S from my non-car guy neighbor who just bought one, I'd feel a bit sheepish by not already knowing about it.

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Yeah Bob, I think we have talked enough about how to get 900 hp out of a 305 Chevy and how to swap a 1998 Ford F150 frame under a model A. This is damn interesting and I hope to see more of it.

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Yeah Bob, I think we have talked enough about how to get 900 hp out of a 305 Chevy and how to swap a 1998 Ford F150 frame under a model A. This is damn interesting and I hope to see more of it.

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Randy, you know I hate the late model stuff, I have no interest what so ever in a 2012 Camaro, so you would think I also would despise this Tesla but damn it's interesting. And like my computer I have had to learn about it, changed the hard drive by myself a while ago, and damn proud of myself. That Tesla, it isn't going to be in my driveway. But maybe something else? Maybe a homebuilt sports car that's electric? For a long time I have wanted to built a Lambo looking car from scratch, maybe I will and it will be electric, who knows? All I know is it's interesting.

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Well !!!! I can promise you this... If you think for one Min this will save the world... Think again... Yes you may knock down the big Oil industry's with this.. And stop the demand for oil... But what will you be creating next... The big rich men on top will get their hands in this and you will have to play BIG $$$$ some how.... So Your cutting off one arm for the other... You will save NOTHING in the long run... Wake up People...Push even more people out of work .... That should really help America...


And you say you enjoy working on cars... YEA RIGHT !!! You will be lucky if you will even be able to change the tires ANYMORE...
The beauty of electric, if some fat cat wants to gouge you for electricity, you as an end user have the power (no pun intended) to roll your own, unlike the inability to produce gasoline. Electrical energy storage and production is available now to anyone, so the power companies are aware that unlike the oil companies, they can not gouge you for what ever amount they want for their product.

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Brian,

Start off with some lite reading, in forum format so you can join in. The Tesla's competition, a Leaf forum.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/index.ph...ad52697cc39811

And volt forum

http://gm-volt.com/forum/index.php

Then of course the back yard mechanic's EV site. I have three vehicles here

http://evalbum.com/

I'm not a member here, but should include a Tesla forum
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/


A lot more to come if interested.

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I added a new folder in my favorites, "Electric cars".

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Randy, you know I hate the late model stuff, I have no interest what so ever in a 2012 Camaro, so you would think I also would despise this Tesla but damn it's interesting. And like my computer I have had to learn about it, changed the hard drive by myself a while ago, and damn proud of myself. That Tesla, it isn't going to be in my driveway. But maybe something else? Maybe a homebuilt sports car that's electric? For a long time I have wanted to built a Lambo looking car from scratch, maybe I will and it will be electric, who knows? All I know is it's interesting.

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That's fine..I'm just looking at the people that it will hurt in the long run..That's all..
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The beauty of electric, if some fat cat wants to gouge you for electricity, you as an end user have the power (no pun intended) to roll your own, unlike the inability to produce gasoline. Electrical energy storage and production is available now to anyone, so the power companies are aware that unlike the oil companies, they can not gouge you for what ever amount they want for their product.

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My boss is putting solar on his house and expects (with info from a designer friend) to have a meter running backwards selling power to the PG&E!

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That's fine..I'm just looking at the people that it will hurt in the long run..That's all..
People are going to adapt.

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The beauty of electric, if some fat cat wants to gouge you for electricity, you as an end user have the power (no pun intended) to roll your own, unlike the inability to produce gasoline. Electrical energy storage and production is available now to anyone, so the power companies are aware that unlike the oil companies, they can not gouge you for what ever amount they want for their product.

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You think so... We will see what happen when it's all you WILL need....Just like oil.... We don't have different Electrical companies to chose from.. You know what that will mean... They will be able to sell it for what ever they want too.... One guy own's what you want.. He can name his own price... Kinda like the big oil men..

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Wait why are electric cars such as the Tesla going to put people out of business? Are you thinking about all the jobs mainstream electric cars could create as well?

There are a few people running the Tesla S who simply run enough solar power to charge their car. They're not trying to live "off the grid" by any means, but a few panels on the roof of the garage would do it.

I considered putting a down payment on a Tesla this year, but was uneasy in that they weren't finished with the design, and didn't want to end up buying a car that was going to look different a year from now.
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This is very true. If electrics were to replace gas right now, gas was gone, oh heck yes many people would be hurt, more than helped because the manufacturers dealers would be doing most the work. But over the long haul as the days, years and decades go by and let's say in a few decades there were 20% electric on the road, this is a ludicrous idea of course being it won't be anywhere near that at the rate it is going but lets say that in 20 years there are 20% electric, that won't do one friggin thing to the job market, not a friggin thing OTHER than create a new industry for people.

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You think so... We will see what happen when it's all you WILL need....Just like oil.... We don't have different Electrical companies to chose from.. You know what that will mean... They will be able to sell it for what ever they want too.... One guy own's what you want.. He can name his own price... Kinda like the big oil men..

Be ready for your change...I'm done..
Randy,

That is what I'm trying to say, for the first time NOBODY will be able to extort you for your energy needs. Because of competition from China you can now purchase solar cells for $1.13 per watt. Also due to power companies storing wind and solar energy to be used later, you are able to buy single cell 2 volt agm batteries of 700 a/hr capacity for under $200 per cell. Current price of a very powerful, full sine wave inverter that can run your home is now less than $5000. You put this together, and you not only will never have another electric bill, but your "fuel" needs for personal transportation will come from your own production.

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My boss is putting solar on his house and expects (with info from a designer friend) to have a meter running backwards selling power to the PG&E!

Brian
I don't want to start a flame war due to California not being a favored state on this forum but that is another example of forward thinking in this state. All the power companies must purchase all available green energy produced in this state. After my stint in the oil industry, I learned the hard way to keep what state I lived in from my colleagues. They still blame California for forcing the conversion to unleaded fuel in 1971. It is impossible to determine how many lives nation wide have been saved over 4 decades by removing the lead from gasoline.
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Touch screens

Unlike others, I have a VERY strong preference for knobs to control such things as wipers, lights, HVAC controls etc. I can identify the knob by touch (esp if they are all differently-shaped) without having to look at the screen.


When you drive various makes of cars, of varying ages, with controls all laid out differently, it is nice to be able to know that the rocker switch is lights, the round knob is wipers, the triangle one is HVAC fan, etc.

As a side note - do car designers have contests to see who can hide switches best? There is NOTHING as much fun as getting into a rental, at night, and spending 10 min trying to find the wiper switch and the headlight switch, the windshield defogger etc before you can even leave the rental lot!

If the highway safety folks want to have a real impact on safety, they should standardize all the main controls as to location and shape!
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