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Old 03-03-2012, 01:38 PM
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Here is something that does make sense. I have followed the resale value of the older 2000~2006 Honda Insight, the first hybrid that with its aluminum body, wheel pants, and flat under-body is a true hyper-miler. This car is a 65+ mpg vehicle, and every time fuel goes up in price fast, like it is now, so does the resale value of this car. The Volt is a real electric drive with a gas range extender, so you plug it in. The Prius and Insight you still just drive like any old car. Americans used to innovate and embrace change, just like when Kennedy made that claim in 1963 that we would put a man on the moon and return him to earth. What ever happened to that spirit? The folks that are bashing GM's attempts are the same ones that didn't think we could go to the moon IMHO.

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Fords Fusion claims 100 mpg on 2013 wait and buy that

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Here is something that does make sense. I have followed the resale value of the older 2000~2006 Honda Insight, the first hybrid that with its aluminum body, wheel pants, and flat under-body is a true hyper-miler. This car is a 65+ mpg vehicle, and every time fuel goes up in price fast, like it is now, so does the resale value of this car. The Volt is a real electric drive with a gas range extender, so you plug it in. The Prius and Insight you still just drive like any old car. Americans used to innovate and embrace change, just like when Kennedy made that claim in 1963 that we would put a man on the moon and return him to earth. What ever happened to that spirit? The folks that are bashing GM's attempts are the same ones that didn't think we could go to the moon IMHO.
>> hers a better option buy this one its better mpg wise
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>> hers a better option buy this one its better mpg wise
Only if your daily commute is over 300 miles.
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Bigger is better

In this case it seems Ford has a better all around option with the 100mpg. That would be my choice bigger is better more is better
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Lets be honest here. there are many reasons a person might buy a "green" vehicle. I'm sure a few are actually interested in saving the planet, and a couple more that would love to be independent of foreign oil, a bunch that would just like others to believe they actually have those noble wishes. but when the bull is shoveled off the sidewalk, I'm guessing the real reason that most of us would buy one is to save money in our daily grind so we can blow it every weekend on gas guzzling, ego boosting, tire smoking HOT RODS. $40,000 would buy a lot of fuel for the bucket T, so I opted to pay $1,400 for a used Suzuki Swift that gets an honest 35+ mpg putting around town and back and forth to work. if I drive it another 5 years I'll bet I can sell it for double the price I paid, because by then gas will be $10.00 gal.

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Russ,

We may not always agree, but even you know I practice what I preach. When at my place in SoCal, I don't burn an ounce of fuel, always drive the electrics that are filled by the sun with my solar panels.

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Thats the only way to have agreen car

is to charge it off solar panels and not the grid, if you use the grid you are using oil, gas, Nuke,. Unless its Hydro
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I didn't plan it that way. My place use to have numerous power outages, and I wasn't a fan of noisy generators so set up a 24 Kw/hr battery bank, inverter, and solar panels. Last couple of years almost no power outages, so instead of wasting the solar with the charge controller disconnecting the panels from the battery bank, I just plug the EVs into that inverter and "fill up". For the little driving I do when down there, my storage from just 130 watts worth of panels handles all my driving.
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FACT: any time our Gooberment has "any" control of anything then you can BYA that it will eventually be bankrupt or fail. Show me one thing to prove that statement incorrect.

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FACT: any time our Gooberment has "any" control of anything then you can BYA that it will eventually be bankrupt or fail. Show me one thing to prove that statement incorrect.

http://jalopnik.com/5890072/gm-halts...use-sales-suck
How about the bail out of the US automotive industry (less Ford)?
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How about the bail out of the US automotive industry (less Ford)?
Bail out = UAW's support payback. GM got the bail out on the condition they would produce a 'green' car, ie the Volt. All IMO.
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Bail out = UAW's support payback. GM got the bail out on the condition they would produce a 'green' car, ie the Volt. All IMO.
I don't care of the reason, though will admit Obama was enamored with the Volt. Each job saved for GM saved 10 support jobs. Plus, since we can't produce our way out of foreign oil dependance without destroying our ground water, the only way to reduce our need for foreign oil would be to reduce domestic consumption.
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I don't care of the reason, though will admit Obama was enamored with the Volt. Each job saved for GM saved 10 support jobs. Plus, since we can't produce our way out of foreign oil dependance without destroying our ground water, the only way to reduce our need for foreign oil would be to reduce domestic consumption.
This, plus jobs saved at Chrysler. Ford officials have stated if GM & Chrysler had went down, they would likely have also.
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Maybe I'm living in ignorance, but isn't the majority of electricity in the US produced by coal and nuke? not exactly environmentally friendly. out of sight, out of mind I guess. and how long do those batteries last? I guess we can just dump the old ones in a hole alongside the nuclear waste.

Sorry, I'm yet to be convinced that electric cars are the way to tranquility.

BTW: consumer reports recently got an astounding 25 miles to a charge on the Volt. they felt it was due to the cold weather and the fact that the heater is electric powered also, which sucked up the juice during the cold test drive.

perhaps they need a gas powered heater!!

Russ
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I havent done the math on his ,think about how much the volt costs,how long is the battery gonna last before replacement and how much it costs to replace the battery vs. buying a new Malibu wiyh the 6 speed trans,looks n runs great ,my wife drives one and she gets close to 40mpg.
As for me Im in agreement that the more gas they use the better they are
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