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Old 03-07-2012, 02:24 PM
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Game changer alert

I have a hunch the Volt in its current configuration and price may not fly after all. Yes, I'm admitting it, and upon closer research have seen why GM has stopped production for the time being.

Typically, the fast paced battery R&D has returned about a 5% per year increase in energy densities. This is driven by the need of lap tops, ipads, smartphones, and now the automotive marketplace. At the current rate it would be awhile before we see a 300 mile battery that doesn't weight 1/2 the weight of the car. The area that is receiving the attention of PhD's in Material Science and Electro-chemistry is nano tech, simply put, increasing the surface area of compounds on a microscopic level. Just announced through my network of battery junkies is the 400 w/hr per kilo of battery density major break through.

I'll use my electric scooter as a basis for what this break through means. I have a 6.5 mile range on 60 lbs worth of AGM lead acid batteries. The same weight of these new batteries that haven't hit the market yet in my scooter would give it over 90 miles of range. Thus, you no longer need a range extender as the Volt has, plus still having to smog and oil change the thing. Apply this new battery to the 100 mile range of Nissan's pure electric Leaf, and you now have a 500 mile range, again pure electric.

Had I known yesterday, I would not of kept plugging the Volt (no pun intended). I had become accustomed to that 5% per year of typical advancements in battery energy density.

http://enviasystems.com/company/about-us/

Now I'm braced for all the "I told you so", so let 'em rip.

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Old 03-07-2012, 02:35 PM
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Nawwww, not my nature - - - - - you believed what you thought to be right at the time and then after keeping an open mind you tweeked your opinion. Good quality to have BTW.
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it's always been about batteries .not yet but maybe someday. in the meantime diesel electric would likely be best option.
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lots of people claiming they wouldn't get caught dead driving a Golf cart to work and back home. Some are funny answers
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well I see the Volt died today
I never thought many would be bought.
I just thought the price was too high
The storsge of power not right
Further complications by having to plug it in
And of course all the reported safety issues
All in all id rather drive a Corvair than a Volt!
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My previous post,Im glad you verified some of this!
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+1 to that. The quest for correct answers for the sake of knowledge which will be shared with others requires a high level of personal integrity. And you have shown that. Not only did you admit you were wrong, you showed us why and how. Thank you for setting an example for the rest of us.
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+1 to that. The quest for correct answers for the sake of knowledge which will be shared with others requires a high level of personal integrity. And you have shown that. Not only did you admit you were wrong, you showed us why and how. Thank you for setting an example for the rest of us.
I was supportive of the Volt as I thought it was a decent stepping stone to further the use of electrics. Drawbacks, as pointed out by others was the price, not to mention with the gasoline powered range extender, you still had the headaches of smog checks, oil and filter changes, exhaust systems, etc. Maybe this thread can morph into a Nissan Leaf thread ???

When this latest battery technology comes to market, all the pure electrics like the Leaf will have an easy transition from a 100 mile battery to a 500 mile battery at 1/2 the cost of the old battery.
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Anyway I dont know much about the future evolution of our species but here is some pics of my solar system.Sorry my garage is messy right now and I couldnt get the Camaro out of the way
> you must have a large set up. I have one also but smaller in comparison, 32 12 volt batteries and 6, 75 watt panels,2- 120 watt and a 600 watt Wind Mill. All my wiring and fuse boxes are home made from scraps etc except for the fuses.
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they all still run on coal.. so.. pointless, really..
+ hello, boss can't come to work my leaf gota voltage spike last night and is d.o.a.
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Mine is not on the grid ever

They are stand alone units and have powered my oil furnace since 1997, My heat is never on grid. I don't depend on the grid at all they are self reliant. all hooked up on separate circuits alone from the Grid.
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They are stand alone units and have powered my oil furnace since 1997, My heat is never on grid. I don't depend on the grid at all they are self reliant. all hooked up on separate circuits alone from the Grid.

When you say your heat is never on the grid, you mean the blower motor that is part of the oil furnace right??
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When you say your heat is never on the grid, you mean the blower motor that is part of the oil furnace right??
If he does what I do, you get heat. I have a pellet stove, heat of course comes from pellets, auger and blower, 120 VAC. A little 1000 watt generator will power (3) CF lights, the refrigerator, and pellet stove. Generally only lose power in the bigger snow storms, but that is when you want heat. One outage lasted 5 days, so I cooked on top of that stove and had to start siphoning gas from the T. Did find out the generator could run 9 1/2 hours on a tank, so got to fill it before bed and get some sleep.
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I kept doing research, as you folks know how I hate being wrong (right Russ?), and guess what I found out?

That break through battery with the high energy density was developed by a company here in California called "envia" and who do you think is a major financial backer of envia, well low and behold GM. Why do I keep trusting this company after the Vega engine, Corvair's vee-belt, a gasser sbc being put into service as a diesel back in '74, and the crushing of the EV-1?

GM, fool me once shame on you, fool me 5 times drives me to Ford.

Here is some of my research......

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp...ers+-+DN+Daily

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/e...sity-lower-co/

Envia's GM-backed battery delivers huge energy density, lower costs, headaches for competitors
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When you say your heat is never on the grid, you mean the blower motor that is part of the oil furnace right??
> everything is on my solars the oil burner gun, all my water circulator s, the controls, everything. I live in the country power goes out all the time, the union power guys must always be at benefit meetings, I got sick of this in the 90's Now I have heat when others dont , always...
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