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Old 03-11-2012, 02:51 PM
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The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people



Cost to operate a Chevy Volt

Eric Bolling (Fox Business Channel's Follow the Money) test drove the Chevy
Volt at the invitation of General Motors.

For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted
only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.

Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles
it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9 gallon gas tank and the
16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 1/2 hours to
drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you
have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average
speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery hold 16 kwh
of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery.

The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never
mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the
seasons) $1.16 per kwh.

16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.

$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine
only that gets 32 mpg.

$3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car cost about $15,000 while the Volt
costs $46,000.

So Obama wants us to pay 3 times as much for a car that
costs more than 7 times as much to run and takes 3 times as long to drive
across country.

REALLY?
He's a real winner. You have to be a real dunce to be behind a dufus like
that.

So you are telling us that you pay 10X for your electricity than the rest of us??? Try $0.116 per Kw/hr. Also, the range under generator assist is the capacity of the fuel tank, and not at 20 mph. The gen-set's output will allow 75+ mph speeds constant, up steep hills it might pull from the batteries to supplement and at the same time going down hills would add to battery charge. That is the beauty of sizing a gen-set and batteries to the intended load. You don't need a 180 hp gen set to give 180 hp of short need performance, you only need a gen-set to meet averaged out needs.

And to cite anything scientific from Fox is a stretch, don't you think?

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Cost to operate a Chevy Volt
Well stated!!
I'm not opposed to ALL electric vehicles, regardless of what Bob thinks, but the volt is certainly a prime example of what I don't like about most of them.

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We own a 09 Prius, and are very happy with it, adverage in town is 41 MPG ( on last calucation on fuel consumption by vehicle computer)
I'm not up on the tect of elect vehicles, but isn't Volt's battery charging system simular to Toyotas? recharged by the gas engine?
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We own a 09 Prius, and are very happy with it, adverage in town is 41 MPG ( on last calucation on fuel consumption by vehicle computer)
I'm not up on the tect of elect vehicles, but isn't Volt's battery charging system simular to Toyotas? recharged by the gas engine?
The Volt is powered by the electric motor only. The gas engine is a gen-set range extender.
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Old 03-11-2012, 04:55 PM
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The Volt is powered by the electric motor only. The gas engine is a gen-set range extender.
SO in other words,, the Volt's battery are NOT being charged while driving? the Prius batterys are recharged everytime you let off the throttle,
and Volts gas engine only works when the battery is dead?
and you need to start serching for a place to spend 10hrs that has a electrical plug in. ?
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SO in other words,, the Volt's battery are NOT being charged while driving? the Prius batterys are recharged everytime you let off the throttle,
and Volts gas engine only works when the battery is dead?
and you need to start serching for a place to spend 10hrs that has a electrical plug in. ?
The Volt has re-gen when slowing and braking. After a pre-determined state of discharge (around 40 miles) the gen-set kicks in automatically unless you are close to home and chose to over ride that function. For long trips, the gen-set will cycle on and off to keep the batteries at a preset SOC, so it behaves no differently than any other car on a 2000 mile trip. The gen-set for long drives will not stay on to bring the batteries to a full state of charge because that would leave no room for re-gen power for the batteries, and will keep the SOC high enough so that the batteries are happy.
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The same people that are interested in the Volt and other EV's, might be interested in a new trend towards electric propulsion for sail boats. I am in the process of designing a system for a sail boat, and localized some links today on my forum for easy sharing with EP folks on the Cruiser's Forum http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/ which of course I'm deckofficer over there too. All the links can be found here.... http://tbuckets.lefora.com/2012/03/1...systems/#post3

Are there any sail boat cruisers on this forum?
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Here's an interesting off road electric build. This guy has some skills, don't know how well the vehicle performs (range seems dismal) but it's unique.
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Here's an interesting off road electric build. This guy has some skills, don't know how well the vehicle performs (range seems dismal) but it's unique.
I would have liked to see in action other than flat ground. Pretty cool rig though.
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Sure beats smoking a clutch or cooking a torque converter. Electric motors can offer all available torque a 1 rpm.
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I kept doing research, as you folks know how I hate being wrong (right Russ?), and guess what I found out?

That break through battery with the high energy density was developed by a company here in California called "envia" and who do you think is a major financial backer of envia, well low and behold GM. Why do I keep trusting this company after the Vega engine, Corvair's vee-belt, a gasser sbc being put into service as a diesel back in '74, and the crushing of the EV-1?

GM, fool me once shame on you, fool me 5 times drives me to Ford.

Here is some of my research......

http://www.designnews.com/author.asp...ers+-+DN+Daily

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/e...sity-lower-co/

Envia's GM-backed battery delivers huge energy density, lower costs, headaches for competitors
What is the Gm sbc diesel converted engine you speak of? I know GM took the OLDS 350 and modified it to be an oil burner in the GM line, never knew of an sbc version.
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What is the Gm sbc diesel converted engine you speak of? I know GM took the OLDS 350 and modified it to be an oil burner in the GM line, never knew of an sbc version.
Good catch, that is what I meant.
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There is a Volt with a knockout red paint job on it on display in the airport concourse where I work and I'd have to say that one of the biggest hindrances to sales of those things is the price. 44K+ is up in the range of a lot of nice cars that pull 30 plus on gas engines and have a good resale value after they are five years old. Checking prices on Toyota Prius 30K will get you a pretty nice one that you can drive pretty cheaply an drive anywhere. Not near as flashy but I see those things everywhere and they wheel down the road at serious road speed pretty well.
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