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Old 01-05-2004, 10:59 PM
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I didn't want to get into this but one statement rubbed me the wrong way:
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Hemi engines were/are used in the most EXTREME forms of motorsport, and have a race heritage equaled by WHAT?
The Hemi had, and still does do well in one form of racing.... Wanna guess what that is? Yup you guessed it Drag racing. Sure it had a few years of good racing in Nascar, but thats it a few. Ford, and Chevrolet have built engines just as successful for this type of racing.

So did the Hemi ever do well in road racing? No it didn't, no big blocks ever did no matter who made them. Sure dodge built a good engine for the Trans-Am series in the late 60's into the 70's, not a Hemi, a 340.

So where else did the Hemi make its mark? No where, if it wasn't straight line racing. I cannot even tell you for sure if the Hemi was even allowed in Nascar sanctioned events. (I'll have to find out) Even if they were there for the reign of the SuperBird, I can guarantee you the engine had a very minimal part of winning those races, it was the design of the car. It was Nascars SuperBirds, Daytonas that won races. It was so innovative they outlawed it because of its dominance.


Now I've said it a hundred times, the Hemi was a good engine, made great power. But it was not the only engine built back in the Muscle Car days like some Mopar boys would lead you to believe. As far as race heritage goes I think the only North American car that ever did any good in that era on the International stage was built by Ford. Cobra, GT40 etc. Thats hard for me to say cause I'm no Ford fan, but I think its true. I just get sick of the Mopar guys saying Hemi's this, Hemi's that. Relax on the Hemi Kick guys, Mopar did build other great, if not better performers. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just don't make a bold statement that just isn't true. You preach Mopar, I'll Keep preachin' Chevy, just don't make it sound like there was only one good mill, makes Mopar sound bad.


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Old 01-06-2004, 06:52 AM
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OK Bonuts, and all the rest, maybe you are missing my point.....

If we had someone running around following a Chevy guy with the phrase "chev-ro-let-me-down" in all his posts, or in posts that had absolutely nothing to do with Chevys, time and time again- would you think the name-caller was being a bit of a jerk?
In a car enthusiasts forum?

I like all sorts of engines, not just Hemis. Not by a long shot.
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OK Bonuts, and all the rest, maybe you are missing my point.....

If we had someone running around following a Chevy guy with the phrase "chev-ro-let-me-down" in all his posts, or in posts that had absolutely nothing to do with Chevys, time and time again- would you think the name-caller was being a bit of a jerk?
In a car enthusiasts forum?

I like all sorts of engines, not just Hemis. Not by a long shot.
Spoken like a true Hot Rodder.
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Old 01-06-2004, 01:08 PM
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i read alot of magazines and even in the latest i got that is doing a ford 351 build up they say that there is no way a factory 351 can match a 350 because the factory didnt give them the horsepower to. maybe with a set of AFR's or some such they should be equal. i never have been a ford fan anyway. as for the older hemi's they had to make alot of power to make up for their un-godly weight. which is probably why they didnt do that well outside of drag racing although i am pretty sure they were used in the nascar superbirds/daytonas, but they got outlawed shortly thereafter. they had by far the best head design of the day. in last years engine masters challange a chevy won but a ford was right on his nooksack, a virtual tie. sherman built it and it was near $20,000. so to whoever said he built a 400hp 302 for $2000 i say you missed a zero in there. if anybody can get 400hp for $2000 they must have spent it on a nos system and nothing on internals and that doesnt sound like a sherman project to me. sounds like the hrm "junk yard dog" projects, which i totally endorse btw. just take a used engine, throw some nitrous on it and wait for it to grenade, then buy a new one! i hadda 392 in my first ride and the damn thing couldnt get out of its own way. it was stock but it was in a t-bucket with headers. could have been the way too tall slicks on it too tho. but when it comes to spending money on engine parts, the hemi is the king. as for new engines, how can you beat the hp/torque numbers gm's new crate engines are puttin out? american speed enterprises has a 450hp crate sbc for under 5K, i guess that's how, but if you got the brain power to figure out the wiring, a used ls-1 out of a wreck would be hard to beat esp if you can score the 6 sp with it.
BOP engines and caddys make tremendous power but not high rpm's except for the 400 pontiac. i've seen stock buick torque figures that would poke yer eyeballs out! as well as boat drag olds-mo-bubbles that rev to 6800rpm. what ever floats yer boat, (ha) but to answer the bowtie vs blue oval Q i've given my opinion.

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Old 01-06-2004, 01:16 PM
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Bullheimer, dont take my word for it... just click here
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Old 01-06-2004, 02:02 PM
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wow crazy mopar guy! too cool for this school. hey tm454 i believe you now, but this guy DOES own a machine shop after all. now i couldnt read all them itsy bitsy letters in the article but i would have to bet i couldn't begin to afford all the machine work he did to it for free. but i did read the line where it says YOU could duplicate it for under $2500. unfortunately i couldnt find my die grinder with both hands! so I couldnt duplicate it for no 2500.

jeeze, that big long wheelie with NO wheelie bars!
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Old 01-06-2004, 09:56 PM
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I Heard somewere that came out with an engine with pent roof heads. What do you guys know about that? Now no offense to anyone I am here to learn, but I heard that it was suposed to be better than the hemi. What do you guys think?
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Old 01-06-2004, 11:15 PM
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Schubeck makes a 4 valve per cylinder Hemi, it has a "pent roof" chamber.
It's a "pent roof Hemi".
http://www.schubeckracing.com/index2.html


I guess each engine has it's own territory, or territories, but the four valve per cylinder stuff has a ton of design superiorities that can be taken advantage of?

Dodge Neons, Audis, Volvos, all use a pent roof chamber in various applications.
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Old 01-07-2004, 06:05 PM
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yeah I had an old 78 cordoba that had a 360 in it. When I was rebuilding the motor it reall dawned on me how much I really liked the 360 mopar. I am a ford man all the way but I really think it is more convienient or easier to work on mopar engines. But I am ford blue tried and true but you gotta love them mopars.
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Old 01-07-2004, 07:41 PM
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Hey Deuce _454. I just read the article for the first on the 400 H.P. 302. I couldn't believe that my 302 has almost the same specs. Same cam only with a .496 lift instead of the .517 and I'm running roller rockers. I'm using a 600 cfm Holly verses his 750. Small world. Hey Bull, I used my die grinder. Norm.
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Instead of comparing hp between a 351 and a 350, compare the the quality of the two. I think I would like to hear your opinion bullheimer. I think I like your style.
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In my opinion, I don't like the chevy exhaust port design. The 2 in the middle has got to store alot of heat near the center of the head. Plus the length of 2 center header tubes is shorter than the outer 2 per head. So I don't even know what that would do for backpressure. Are there any benefits to this design that I'm not thinking about?

I like the Ford ones better. Everything is spaced out evenly. Looks better, probably cooler. Still not sure about the ramifications of backpressure, can anyone explain?


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Old 01-12-2004, 01:33 PM
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i dont know much about fords quality because i never got into them. as for block thickness etc. i couldnt even begin to tell you. i can tell you that yeah, chevy does have a little prob with the siamesed ex. ports and i really wish the guy who decided to put the distributor in the back of the engine had one shoved up his happy hole! as for general overall quality, since chevy's camaro went **** up due to lack of craftsmanship and ford is still selling a ton of mustangs, i would have to give that to ford. i also prefered ford 4x4's to chevy's as well even tho i own a chev. but only because in the late 70's ford put limited slip front and rears in their trucks while chevy used open gears, which blow.

even tho magazine writers may or may not know what the hell they are talking about and i just said this in my pony car post i will quote you word for word an article about a FORD build up 347 stroker to be exact , out of a truck mag: oct 2003 custom classic truck::

"the chevy small block is undoubtedly the king of racing and hot rodding, but there is little doubt that the ford small block beats everything else for a solid second rankning in performance engines. in the mid 60's the mustang debut was a success because the high perf. 289 competed on an even footing with the chevy 283. as the muscle car era progressed, the small block ford 289 and 302 fell behind in performance to the larger 327 and 350 chevys. the maxs hp of a production line boss 302 was 290 hp, while there wer numerous factory stock small block chevys that easily exceeded that number. when ford eventually upped the displacement of the small blocks to 351 in 1969, the performance still never exceeded 290 hp "
later he talks about how the ford heads have a hump that restricts flow, needs to be enlarged to at least 160 cc from 145 to match a chevy, and bags on the stock intake design with too sharp of bends due to intake ports being some close to the carb and some far away ( dont dont have any idea what he's talking about) and the smaller size of the valves.

just that writers opionion.

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Different question, always same answer: GOT MONEY?? With enough cash, anything can make gobs of power, be reliable, fly, float, whatever.... I mean, if you can build a 10 sec honda....
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