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Old 09-06-2005, 10:03 AM
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How long should I wait to spray on CC after painting my car ? I ask this because I sprayed it with Nason Urethane and the paint looked good. Then I spayed the clear on after about 15 mins. and the Clear came out severely orange peeled. So I am sanding the peel back out then spraying another coat of color. Then do I need the clear at all with this paint and if so how long should I wait?

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Orange peel clear isn't from the base paint, That's gun adjustment. Back down the fluid some or up the air psi your spraying at.
Ful-Thane or Ful-Base?
Ful-Thane is a single stage and requires no clear per say,Yes you can clear over it or even mix it with clear.
Ful-base need's clear as it's just a base paint.
Depending on color of the base, I'd give it a good hour after the last coat before clear on the Ful-base.Nason dries slooooow so an hour or 2 even isn't a problem.
I have not cleared over a single stage myself so I can't help on how long after spraying it.
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Is there any advantage to mixing clear with Ful-Thane? If so what would be the mix ratio? Ithink just for Ful Thane it says 8-1-2. Thank You
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Orange peel clear isn't from the base paint, That's gun adjustment. Back down the fluid some or up the air psi your spraying at.
Ful-Thane or Ful-Base?
Ful-Thane is a single stage and requires no clear per say,Yes you can clear over it or even mix it with clear.
Ful-base need's clear as it's just a base paint.
Depending on color of the base, I'd give it a good hour after the last coat before clear on the Ful-base.Nason dries slooooow so an hour or 2 even isn't a problem.
I have not cleared over a single stage myself so I can't help on how long after spraying it.
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Bee is right. Gun adjustment is the key.. Every clear sprays different, some flow easily right out of the jug, some need a little help... Jim bought some nasson clear and has not been able to get it to flow out like he is used to with other clear... I dunno just what I have been told.. I dont/wont have any experience with it.

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Yea, you're right Matthew.
I am real disappointed in the Nasson clear, I heard such good things about it
and my jobber has it on sale with hardener for about $70.00.
I just can't get it to flow without a whole lot of reducer.
But I'm still experimenting. I may figure it out by the time I use it all.
It does dry quick and have a good clarity, now if someone could please
tell me how they get this stuff to lay down smooth.
(I'm sanding and buffing my #$@& off!!! (LOL)
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Jim, Is it Nason Select in the green can,3:1?
I really like it myself,It has great clarity and i think it's clearer than the 7600 Chroma I used before.Not quite as yellow.

Like I said in the PM, My D'ville won't spray it smooth even with a 1.4.
I used my harbor purple gun with a 1.4 and about half way into the green zone on the gun reg.(not sure the exact psi but around 40ish) and it lay's like glass with a full fan.
Now,With my Iwata it's been learning all over again,After jacking the gun up to around 25#,it's been spraying great with a 1.3.
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once you find a clear you like that is reasonable enough in price to keep you happy then stick with it. you will eventually become used to spraying it and know exactly what you can do with it a far as gun adjustments, how heavy its applied and so on. when i first started using high solids clear i found it quite hard to get it to flow out but after spraying gallon after gallon a can get it down like glass without a single run.
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I too have had problems with the nason select. Not so much with the orange peel, but rushing to get it on without getting dry spots. Seems like it kicks awefull fast, even for doing a small part, but I think I used the faster activator both times I've used it. For a clear in the same price range, Western refinishers select, I have real good luck with. It seems to lay out nice and flat with good gloss. Never thought I'd recommend Sherwin Williams, but was surprised by this clear the few times I have used it. I'd recommend trying it if you are having problems with flow with the nason.
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I have used the Nason clear and it layed down real good with a 1.4 tip HVLP.

I would also say gun adjustment or too far from surface when applying?
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Jim, Is it Nason Select in the green can,3:1?
I really like it myself,It has great clarity and i think it's clearer than the 7600 Chroma I used before.Not quite as yellow.

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No, It's the 4:1 stuff.
I'm sure your 3:1 is better.
I think this will be ok for most of my work, I do small repairs.
But I have overreduced it to make it flow and still trying
new gun adjustments.
I do like the clarity and gloss and it sets really fast.
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don't rely on new high solids clears to flow. they do not. the reason i bought the iwata guns was because with the older guns were putting on way too much clear trying to flow it out. adjust your gun to break it up as much as possible, adjust your speed to lay it down wet. too much fluid will leave texture. don't rely on your wall reg as most are not too accurate. to get 14 lbs at the gun i have to set mine at 30+ . do some test panels to set up. once you find the setting that works for you remember it and how you got there. for the novice painter i suggest clearing and sand down from 600 to 2500 and then polish. stay away from wool pads. they create deep swirl marks. good luck.
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