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Old 09-28-2013, 07:05 PM
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Clear coating patina and rusty surface

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here my wondering
having a car with some patina surface and rusty surface
and i dlike to clear it

about the rusty surface should I treat it or just clear over ?



Ive heard things saying rust need air and water and the clear should stop this

let me know your though

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Old 09-28-2013, 07:55 PM
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This is something I just don't understand, you have a "patina" original looking rust and worn paint, isn't that what you want? Why clear over it, when you have what you want?

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to make it shinny
id like to do something a little different
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Brian's right...we fix rust first, why, because if you don't, paint will fall of as it continues to rust. What is rust? Rust is basically the deterioration of metal. Take your hand and gently rub it on the rusted surface...look at you hand...it will be the color of rust and when you go to the sink...it washes off easily with water. What happens if you clear over top of rust. It has nothing to stick to...(remember, rust is the deterioration of metal) and it will fall off.

I hope this explains why clearing over rust is not a good idea.

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yes yes that smake more sense
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I appreciate that you understand and in my opinion, this patina thing is going to be a fad...like I said, just my opinion and real patina, if duplicated is not patina, if the original patina is tried to be preserved...it won't be.

There isn't any replacement for preserving an old vehicle than to properly restore it, anything else is fake or doing more long term damage at a fairly great cost to something that does have the potential to be brought back to life.

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they're only original once . but they have been clearing them for a few years now .
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why do this to a $40,000 car?!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q83EnsXk30...camaro+rat.jpg
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Vincentnova, how about ya post some photo's for us to see of that patina'd ride?

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I see stock new Camaro's at shows all the time... I walk right by them. I'd stop to look at the one you posted... I think maybe that's why.


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Vincentnova, how about ya post some photo's for us to see of that patina'd ride?



I see stock new Camaro's at shows all the time... I walk right by them. I'd stop to look at the one you posted... I think maybe that's why.

that is very true. Nothing annoys me more than seeing new 'common' cars at shows, like Mustangs or Camaros. I can see 10 on any given morning on my way into work. I would stop to look at the body on this one though. But that's a lot of effort to go through to 'destroy' your car's finish to win a stranger's approval.
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My God that's bizarre!

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exactly Brian. I kinda like it though LOL. But, I also know the ball-busting work the painter did to make that car look like that.

When I was in college, I took a semester in archival preservation. And the amount of work it takes to fake an original is absolutely incredible. To fool a trained human eye is ridiculously complicated. Its one thing to make someone gloss over something with a passing glance. Its another thing to park that car in natural light and have guys like Brian, Ray, BarryK walk by it. The way cars wear, the thin spots, the abraisions, the right places for sand throughs and the right amount of these things takes a ridiculous amount of study and application to get it right, not just "close."
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I'm working on one right now on a '40 Ford pickup. We are doing it sixties gasser style, and it will include some interesting and nostalgic details.

We know we won't fool many... but are having as much fun as possible with it. :-)

Here is also a show sign we did to try a few things. It will sit in a Model A grill shell. Since we did the sign, the patina plan has changed to increase the authentic feel of the paint.

Also the jams and firewall are done. The decals are painted with cracks, wear, and chipped edges.

Of course the outer body will be much more deteriorated. :-)
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exactly Brian. I kinda like it though LOL. But, I also know the ball-busting work the painter did to make that car look like that.

When I was in college, I took a semester in archival preservation. And the amount of work it takes to fake an original is absolutely incredible. To fool a trained human eye is ridiculously complicated. Its one thing to make someone gloss over something with a passing glance. Its another thing to park that car in natural light and have guys like Brian, Ray, BarryK walk by it. The way cars wear, the thin spots, the abraisions, the right places for sand throughs and the right amount of these things takes a ridiculous amount of study and application to get it right, not just "close."
But that Camaro doesn't look like "patina" at all! It looks like a vandalized car that the scratches were sanded out to the bare metal and then it stat out in the body shop parking lot a few weeks in the rain. That is ALL it looks like! It is not clever, it's not tricking anyone, it's foolish.

I have seen very well patina, like "rust" on a fiberglass car. I don't get it, can't imagine spending my time on earth doing it, but I can appreciate it if it's well done, that Camaro isn't....if that is what they were after. It's sooooooo poorly done that I don't even know what they were after!

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I'm working on one right now on a '40 Ford pickup. We are doing it sixties gasser style, and it will include some interesting and nostalgic details.

We know we won't fool many... but are having as much fun as possible with it. :-)

Here is also a show sign we did to try a few things. It will sit in a Model A grill shell. Since we did the sign, the patina plan has changed to increase the authentic feel of the paint.

Also the jams and firewall are done. The decals are painted with cracks, wear, and chipped edges.

Of course the outer body will be much more deteriorated. :-)
Like I said, I don't get it, but that does look very well done, that's the difference.

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