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Old 11-06-2003, 09:36 AM
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Coincedence or not??????

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Old 11-06-2003, 09:40 AM
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Saw it too, he was on quite a while.
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Looks like we've re-identified our TROLL. He must be using one of the computers at his elementary school to get around the ISP block.

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Old 11-06-2003, 10:40 AM
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Nah, anonymous proxy can do that. He has three computers at home going through a router so he can manipulate things right from the comfort of his chair.

Interestingly I received a PM from this joker asking for a one on one e-mail to talk about endoscopy, heres the PM below.

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Endoscopy repair

Don't know if you remember me or not, but I had e-mailed a while back about endoscope repair.... I would like to speak with you again about a few things. If you don't mind, e-mail me at jskennene@yahoo.com.


Thanks,

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Funny thing is...there is no such thing as a endoscopy consultant duh! After some research I found out this guy joined on the exact same day that another infamous member joined, have a look.

Sorry Barz, your join date is in there too.

I wonder what the odds are? Anyway I won't be responding to such an obvious ploy to harvest my IP, I recommend all of you here to use the PM mechanism instead of e-mail to discuss things with people you don't know. Better to be safe than sorry.

You may wonder how can someone get an IP address from an e-mail? The header info contains all of that stuff and is easily checked if you know what your doing. After hack attempts on my home IP address were made minutes after I sent a response PM to this guy using a "spoofing" attack and "Smurt" I notified my ISP to record all incoming and outgoing traffic from my home IP. They were most helpful and even said they would handle the complaint for me, apparently script kiddies do this all the time and usually a visit to the house by the cops settles them down once Mom and Dad know what is going on and the ISP kicks out the account. With no more free dial up they are basically stuck with finding another provider. If he's doing it from school then getting kicked out is a real possibility, little Jonny's gonna be held back a grade Mom!

It's only a matter of time. Don't respond to the posts and use the PM mechanism for responding to those you don't know.
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Sorry Barz, your join date is in there too.


Ah, crap.



Just who I want to be asscociated with. Trust me if I was pretending it would not be a jobless, 22 year old, college student with a p.o.s. Cutlass.

From now on you can call me Rico, super lover.
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Old 11-06-2003, 09:12 PM
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From now on you can call me Rico, super lover.
Careful, thats the kind of statement that tends to stick to a fella...

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Old 11-06-2003, 10:48 PM
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Hey, Chuck, you really got my interest here. I have a software firewall that records the IP of attackers. Are you telling me that I can call my ISP and give them those IP numbers, and they can handle the complaints to the ISPs involved?
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Old 11-07-2003, 01:01 AM
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Depends on where the attacks originate from and how often they occur. In Canada it is a much more punishable offense if it originates inside our borders, here's a link that describes proposed legislation back in the early 90's.

Of course the first step is recording the event, you can't start an investigation file until you pick up the phone.
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Old 11-07-2003, 12:40 PM
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My firewall pics up the IP addresses of anyone who tries to 'hack' in, like the trojan horse ones, funny, I got two of them right after replying to an e-mail I got on Yahoo, wonder if they were connected. Don't think my ISP could do anything about it tho;, seeing as we are outside of US, but is there a controlling body anywhere where these addresses could be reported to.
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I am certainly no expert but I imagine that if enough people complained something might get done about it. I think if someone hacked into the Prime Ministers computer there would be comprehensive legislation and a budget tabled tomorrow. In some respects the ISP must be held accountable if you ask me regardless of what the user agreement says. It's their cabling and fiber that gets used for this nonsense, I'll bet the tune would change if someone managed to sue them successfully for breach of contract and willful destruction of personal property. If you go to the gas station and fill up with gas full of water, the station owner has to pay to have your tank cleaned out. Whats the difference? You can't tell me this is a problem with no resolution? What about a filter?
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Chuck, this is a little different than a gas station. The connection you are paying for is just for transmitting data. This is just like your phone, you pay the phone company to let you have a connection so you can talk on the phone, they are not responsible for who calls your or what they say to you, just that your phone line works properly. Same with your ISP, they are responsible for giving you a connection that works, you are responsible for the content that is transfered through that connection. I'm sure if you look, there is a section in your contract with then that says they are not responsible of content carried across their lines. Their line is used for the transmission of data only, and that's all their responsibility is (at least that's how it is in the USA).
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Hate to say it - but 78Nova's right - my isp is Verizon DSL and they state in my little handbook here that all is covered by Verizon services is the transmission of all data passed over their servers, in fact, even though they keep a record of all the websites visited (IP wise) it is purged after 24 hours (this is to track things like viruses and hackers hitting THEIR servers) - so, pretty much DOA here in the USA. Sorry guys.

Now, there are fraud groups and special groups including the FBI that keep track of this stuff - and i suppose if you do some searching could find a service to complain to.... it's just all about the law, there simply isn't anyway to bust these guys yet - there are simply too many. In fact, the only thing I know of know that the FBI is looking at is Kiddy Porn being circulated by 45 year old guys who live in their parents basement who are as white as snow because they haven't left their pc for decades...

Internet crime is currently becoming the no. 1 source of aquaintance rape, harassment, death threats and identity theft. I place extreme caution using the internet - you simply don't know who is on the other side...

if anyone wants more information on this - check out your local government websites and the FBI - this is some crazy crap that people pull off.

keep safe and smart -
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ps - bombing a website for the purpose of getting your jollies off is about as pathetic as stealing rolls of toilet paper from the bathroom at wal-mart.
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Check this out.

Well, he was a busy little beaver last night, looks like he managed to set my system clock back two hours.

Have a look at the log.

Fri Nov 07 00:58:59 2003 : Entering RENEWING state.
Fri Nov 07 00:58:59 2003 : Can't send DHCPREQUEST(REBINDING)
Fri Nov 07 00:58:59 2003 : Entering BOUND state.
Sat Nov 08 00:58:57 2003 : Entered INIT state.
Sat Nov 08 00:58:57 2003 : Dhcp client lease invalid.
Sat Nov 08 00:58:57 2003 : Sending DHCPDISCOVER.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:01 2003 : Enterd WAIT_OFFER state
Sat Nov 08 00:59:01 2003 : Timed out in WAIT_OFFER state
Sat Nov 08 00:59:01 2003 : Retransmit DHCP_DISCOVER.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:08 2003 : Enterd WAIT_OFFER state
Sat Nov 08 00:59:08 2003 : Timed out in WAIT_OFFER state
Sat Nov 08 00:59:08 2003 : Retransmit DHCP_DISCOVER.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:09 2003 : Enterd WAIT_OFFER state
Sat Nov 08 00:59:12 2003 : Entered SELECTING state.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:12 2003 : Entering requesting state.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Got DHCPACK.
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Dhcp client renew
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Interface=adm1
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Get Ip [adm1]=XX.XX.XXX.XX
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Get Netmask[adm1]=XXX.XXX.XXX.X
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Get Gateway[adm1][0] = XX.XX.XXX.X
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Get Dns[adm1][0]=XX.XX.XXX.XX
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Get Dns[adm1][1]=XX.XX.XXX.XX
Sat Nov 08 00:59:13 2003 : Entering BOUND state.


The numbers X'ed out was my IP info, if nothing else this is very educational...to be honest I never played around with any of the network protocol stuff. So what do you guys think? To be honest he can come and hack on my machine all night long if he wants, I leave it on just for him. Since I am almost entirely on my own node and have the big pipe running right through my house my speeds and ping times are always awesome. I average over 500kbs on downloads and my ping times to most servers hovers around 60ms. Even the Shaw techs have told me I may have the fastest cable home connection in the city because of my location. Everyone says I should be hosting games on my computer because of the connection.

Can any of you tech types out there decifer this for me? Whats the best way to handle this? My provider offered me a few options so I don't want to make any major decisions based on speculation.

Any info anyone can offer would be of great interest, thanks.
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Update

Just did another check on my drive for viruses/trojans and found 4 new ones! Pretty cool if you ask me, here's a list of the ones that were installed last night. The files that were infected are also included for your perusal.

Msrexe.exe, Outl32.exe= Trojan-Backdoor-AML

Svchost.exe= Backdoor-AWW

Mserv.exe= Prockill-AS

Wingua.exe= MultiDropper-GP.b

I know these were installed last night because I have been running the program twice daily since having my initial problems, another member has indicated that the log files I posted earlier was just my computer obtaining a IP address. Interestingly this all happened at the same time.

I continue to learn something new everyday.
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It's probably your ISP attacking you. They are probably sick of you calling them anytime anyone pings your computer.

Hate to tell you this bud but my IP could be shown to you by your firewall 100 times and your ISP couldn't help you. Of course if I went in and did some seroius damage then they might care.




See even if Jon found who my ISP is he couldn't do anything. I have not done anything illegal

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