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Old 05-17-2009, 01:01 PM
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Now we're getting to the real nuts and bolts of scientific theory! Just don't wear a helmet as that would tilt the results (by adding more drag). Document the exact octane also as we don't want you running any jet fuel in the shovelhead (might blow a head gasket). If it leaks a little oil while you're moving does that cause drag? After all we are looking for a noticeable difference and a little dripping oil WILL be noticeable! LOL
Well I'm draining the oil, because anyone knows that a crankshaft swinging through an oil mist causes drag, so there shouldn't be any leaks. I'm wearing my special anti drag hat, it's made out of shiny tinfoil.

I found a really aerodynamic lampshade for my scoop, once I plumb it to the carb with some heater duct and mold it into my front fender I'll start the test.

Have no fear, UNDERDOG is here!

I'll get to the bottom of this.

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LOL!

But, you just said:

"The RA effect will still be working but at a net loss to the driver. More power will be produced but more will be consumed as well."

You've failed to take anything in to account that doesn't somehow allow you to hold on to your false beliefs.

Kind of sad, in a pitiful sort of way...


Actually you took taht out of context, I said if a system was used that did do this, not that it had to. I think more of your faulty logic isn't from not knowing anything, but only knowing half of it all. Just smart enough to be dangerous.
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I think more of your faulty logic isn't from not knowing anything, but only knowing half of it all. Just smart enough to be dangerous.
good idea, ap... insult one of the most respected senior members on the forum. That'll sway us to your side.
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This is a good technical discussion lets not get sidetracked please.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:28 AM
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i dont know why ap cant just admit that he is wrong.
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i dont know why ap cant just admit that he is wrong.
It is a matter of perception.

What one perceives as being so, IS so.

So, to him- even if it is only in his mind- he is right.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:43 AM
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Man thats deep. on like 5 different levels. haha very well put.
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This set-up was thought to have worked too.
The engine photo was posted a while back in this thread.

I thought I'd add the image of a "sanitized" version of the original 1949 Plymouth business coupe known as the "High and Mighty" for those who may not have ever seen this thing of mechanical beauty.

The original was campaigned by a few MOPAR engineers, in there spare time.

This group eventually became known as the "Ramchargers".
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Barnym17---this is really a crappy technical discussion, although the subject matter is excellent, and there have been contributions from one practicing aerospace engineer, several very experienced and observant guys with degrees in engineering,(which does require schooling in physics as well) and guys who just have common sense, there is an inordinate amount of BS and misinformation from ap72, who has obviously absorbed very little from his schooling on this particular subject, and much of the dialog has been in a futile attempt to help him understand where he is going wrong. But that is typical behavior of ap72, and he isn't calling anyone names, or being truly obnoxious, and his counterpoints are valuable in that they foster discussion.

I considered locking the thread, and also considered weeding and dumping the off topic posts, but let it all stand, (with the exception of a few profane outbursts), so that others can see the whole picture, and let ap72 do the most to discredit his own perception of the technology , as well as himself.

It's a shame that a guy might choose to read through it all to make a proper decision about whether or not a street car can benefit from a so called "ram air " system, and could really get the right answer in the first few posts.

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Man thats deep.
If I get any deeper, I'll be handing out hip boots...
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I find it to be interesting concept but have never been able to get past the perpetual motion part of ram air.I.E 3hp gained for 2hp lost in aero drag. Now cold air is dear to my heart I know it works but sometimes fabbing a sealed cold air setup can be fun.
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Rammed Air Sled

Hey, after all the RAM AIR hoopla here, and you guys, you know who you are, why don't you go fly a Rammed Air Sled









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My posts keep getting removed so I'll just add one more that maybe a few people will see until someone removes it.

RA is very real and it is not hard at all to see and understand. I was talking to a few of my buddies and all of them laughed at how easy it is to grasp. I'm not sure why people think the way that a lot of you do other than jst wearing blinders and not opening your eyes to the whole situation. If anyone does wan to discuss it please send me a PM and I'll try to explain it on there as my posts on here keep being removed.

I can lead a horse to water, I can even shove him in te river, but I cannot make him drink.
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My posts keep getting removed
Not saying their not being removed, but be sure that you're doing everything correctly on your end.

Powerrodsmike just stated that- except for cussing- he's letting it all stand. I don't know why any other Mod would come along and countermand this and then not say anything, but this might be the case, I don't know...

What about it, Mods?
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My posts keep getting removed so I'll just add one more that maybe a few people will see until someone removes it.



That is a flat out lie. Yes a lie.

None of your posts in this thread were removed or edited. By anyone. I edited 2 posts by 83SILVERADO for profanity, removing the profanity only. No other mods touched this thread, ( mods can see deleted posts, and can even undelete them.)

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