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showtime1k 05-18-2012 12:41 PM

compound, buff, polish
 
wjat products have you used and found best and economical.

ive bought the 3m white, black and light blue pads(compound, polish, ultrapolish). looking for a shelf product to use with it. or are the 3m compound, polish and ultra polishing creams the way to go.(the big 40 dollar bottles)?

TucsonJay 05-18-2012 02:38 PM

I have used a lot of products over the years. I always want to minimize hours, and get a factory quality "street & show" finish.

The one I finally settled on was to sand with McGuires 1200 paper (levels faster)... buff with 3M 06031 compound with a white waffle pad... then polish with 3M 05973 with a gray waffle. It gave me a great finish every time!

It worked great for about 15 years... until recently... when they discontinued the 06031 buffing compound. The other 3M buffing compounds I have tried to substitute could not seem to handle 1200 sand scratches! Now I had to increase my sanding time and paper expense... or find a solution.

I called my paint store of 20+ years, and told them what I wanted to do, and what product might get it done???

My buddy Ray told me that there was a new 3M product... "3M 06085"... that would finish 1200 scratches... but the stuff was $40 a quart!!!

Well... "time is money", so I told him to send me a bottle. I just finished a Harley "bagger" in the new Camaro "Synergy Green".... and this stuff works GREAT!!!

Instead of buffing with one pad and product... then polishing with another pad and product... I just used the new compound with a white pad. It buffed up faster than anything I had ever used... and I actually used less compound than before to do it! I didn't even bother to get the polish and gray pad out!!! It may be necessary for darker colors... but on this job, the bright green looked great without it! :-)

It gets my recommendation! Even for the extra materials cost to the customer, it will save him more dollars on labor.

35terraplane 05-18-2012 02:42 PM

Buffing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by showtime1k
wjat products have you used and found best and economical.

ive bought the 3m white, black and light blue pads(compound, polish, ultrapolish). looking for a shelf product to use with it. or are the 3m compound, polish and ultra polishing creams the way to go.(the big 40 dollar bottles)?

Before I cut loose on buffing out a nice paint job, I would find a car to practice on. I don't know what you are buffing but what ever you can cut through it in a flash, and screw up a nice paint job.

Bob

TucsonJay 05-18-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 35terraplane
Before I cut loose on buffing out a nice paint job, I would find a car to practice on. I don't know what you are buffing but what ever you can cut through it in a flash, and screw up a nice paint job.

Bob

Good advise for a new system that you aren't familiar with!

I have had fewer problems burning through in recent years. Switching from wool pads to the foam pads... and also using a air tool, that I can run slower, put an end to "burn throughs". I also am more conscious of not getting the paint too hot. As a result, I have been staying out of trouble. :-)

novafreek6872 05-18-2012 06:59 PM

@ Jay... are you talking about the 3m rubbing compound in the purple bottle?? Perfect - It i think is says. Its around $35 here.

Great tips by the way, I'm gonna try myself and try to save some time...hand sanding with 1500 and 2000 takes too damn long! 1200 cuts so quick.
Andy

TucsonJay 05-18-2012 07:37 PM

Yes. 06085 in the purple bottle.

Try it on a small area first, just so you know it will work for you.

novafreek6872 05-19-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TucsonJay
Yes. 06085 in the purple bottle.

Try it on a small area first, just so you know it will work for you.

Already tried some, its 3m heavy duty rubbing compound came in a half quart bottle for $15. Paint guy said its the same stuff as the big purple bottle. Dont know if thats true, but it works good. I use a wool pad followed by 2 foam pads (1 a cutting, and 1 a polish pad) and a dark color glaze on the the last pad...works pretty well for me and I'm doing a black job.

I was using "system one" before, but it takes way longer. Probably alot safer for a beginner, but they don't even sell it anymore...to me it doesnt really have enough grit for the initial buff. I should try to mix the two, I bet that would actually work pretty good.

Andy

TucsonJay 05-19-2012 09:25 AM

Sounds like your experience was similar to mine. I'm going to use it for while, if it keeps performing like the first job. :-)

MARTINSR 05-19-2012 10:03 AM

If you guys haven't tried the Meguiars "Power compound" give it a try. http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product_detail.do?q=4759

I found this to be the best cutter, but then again if Meguiars made TVs I would buy them, they are that kind of company. But honestly this compound blows away the 3M I was using. It needs very little,it goes WAY further and no splatter all over the from the buffer, it really works well. And the paper as well Mequiars 1000,1200,1500 and 2000, it's "Unigrit" as I remember is the brand name,the best most uniform paper I have ever used.

Now I haven't touched any of the 3m that may be new in the past few years so they may have something as good. But when I found this stuff, I never looked back.

And of course Meguiars "Mirror Glaze no. 7" is the ultimate for the show car shine.

Brian

TucsonJay 05-19-2012 01:57 PM

I'll try it on the next job! :-) Thanks.

A little update...

I just tried the 3M 06085 "purple bottle" compound on a well-cured dark finish. I doesn't cut those 1200 scratches as well as on fresh paint.

novafreek6872 05-19-2012 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TucsonJay
I'll try it on the next job! :-) Thanks.

A little update...

I just tried the 3M 06085 "purple bottle" compound on a well-cured dark finish. I doesn't cut those 1200 scratches as well as on fresh paint.


Try a wool pad, then go to foam

showtime1k 05-21-2012 11:09 AM

im doing a hood and side of vehicle that i already painted. used some 3m rubbing compound that i bought from autozone for about 10 bucks. wanna try some off the shelf stuff, looking for an intermediate on the black foam and a glaze for the blue(3m). all i know from 3m is the 40 dollar bottles you have to order. anyone try some stuff from a autozone or something thats similar?
something to remove the swirls

MARTINSR 05-21-2012 11:16 AM

Go to a REAL parts or paint store and you will find pro products. At the paint store I use they have Meguires in small bottles or in gallons. They have the color sanding paper I mentioned, foam pads, everything you need. This is a very small paint store, go where the pro shops in town by their materials and you will find this stuff.

AZ may have it, I don't know because I don't shop for stuff like that there.


Brian

showtime1k 05-21-2012 05:42 PM

At this point I'm pretty much testing out products, don't wanna spend a lot on something Might not like and then find something better. U guess I'll go with the 3m swirl remover in the big bottle. Guess I can't go wrong with that


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