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Old 11-15-2013, 03:41 PM
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I followed the instructions Jim Stabe posted on Metalmeet forums a few years ago I';ll see if I can find the links. The Metal meet site crashed a few years ago.. I like the HF winch because I can pull out the handle into neutral and run it with a steering wheel ..
That would indeed be a really big plus. It may be I should have thought this through longer before I bought the door opener but......I am going to continue on. I knew there were a lot of threads out there from guys who had done it but the door opener was there, handy, and cheap. Also it should require no machine work since it already has a sprocket on the end of the shaft.

Thanks for the input. There may be other guys who read this thread that will want to go the winch route. It does make sense.

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I'll try this link post 756
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...74#post6412274
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http://www.metalmeet.com/forum/showt...t=10281&page=2

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I never could find Jim's original instructions, I guess it was lost when the old metalmeet forum crashed. Jim runs his with gears with 15 and 48 teeth, roughly 3 TO 1. I had a 5 gallon bucket of # 40 chain. I ordered the gear and hub from burden's SURPLUS SALES. I had to weld the gear to the hub. I dissambled the winch cable reel and turned it down to fit the hub size of the burden hub. I don't remember the diameter. I welded a piece of 1 in square stock to the bottom of my beadroller ( and a lot of other tools, vise, planishing hammer, brake, etc) I have 1 in inside size square tube receivers welded in the southworth lift table and tool stands, flatbed truck, low trailer
http://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-T...H-SPROCKET.axd
http://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/...2-BORE-HUB.axd
I think this is what I used, check the size of your modified winch reel, hub size and sprocket size to make sure every thing will fit. I had the 48 tooth sprocket in my bucket of # 40 drive chain.

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I never could find Jim's original instructions, I guess it was lost when the old metalmeet forum crashed. Jim runs his with gears with 15 and 48 teeth, roughly 3 TO 1. I had a 5 gallon bucket of # 40 chain. I ordered the gear and hub from burden's SURPLUS SALES. I had to weld the gear to the hub. I dissambled the winch cable reel and turned it down to fit the hub size of the burden hub. I don't remember the diameter. I welded a piece of 1 in square stock to the bottom of my beadroller ( and a lot of other tools, vise, planishing hammer, brake, etc) I have 1 in inside size square tube receivers welded in the southworth lift table and tool stands, flatbed truck, low trailer
40W16B 40 PITCH 16 TOOTH SPROCKET
X1-1/2B 1-1/2" BORE HUB
I think this is what I used, check the size of your modified winch reel, hub size and sprocket size to make sure every thing will fit. I had the 48 tooth sprocket in my bucket of # 40 drive chain.
This is good stuff. Thanks.

I ordered some cheep #40 chain last night. $11.00 with free shipping. Tractor Supply sells Weldable sprockets. Their 46 tooth is $27. I may have a SPDT switch but will need to buy a foot pedal. Kind of scared of the Harbor Freight one but still looking around. I also have an old wheel and junk driveshaft for a stand.

I hope to line up everything I need for Thanksgiving weekend.

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I am surprised you guys don't look at the 3-jaw couplers like I used. Quite simple:



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I don't have a very good photo. I had a geared dc motor from an auction laying around. I got a misalignment adapter ad power supply from Surpluscity. It is variable speed with a HF on/off foot pedal:





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I am surprised you guys don't look at the 3-jaw couplers like I used. Quite simple:



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ThT would be perfect for the winch motor but the door opener has to be geared down since it is not variable speed.

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I understand.

That stand by the way is a multi use stand I made for several different things depending on what I am working on:












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I understand.

That stand by the way is a multi use stand I made for several different things depending on what I am working on:
The stand is perfect. I really like that.

The opener drive came this morning.

After I disconnected the lamp, circuit board, and other safety switches I was left with only 2 wires coming from the capacitor and a neutral. blue wire to neutral is forward, Red to neutral is reverse. Could not be simpler. Also I already have a DPDT switch I can use.

By my watch the motor sprocket is running 104 RPM's which is 1.73 per second. The sprocket is 8 teeth so if I could find a 48 tooth sprocket that would equate to just under 4 seconds per revolution at the tool. (.289 rev/second).

That is as fast as I think I can stand it. I wonder I it will be possible to cycle it on a tight corner with the foot pedal with out ending up with a jerky roll. I hate to spend 35 dollars for a sprocket that is too small.

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Oh-Kayyyy.... I located a 72 tooth sprocket and hub for $39 and ordered it. 72/8 is a 9 to 1 reduction which works out to .20 revs per second or 1 revolution per 5 seconds. Since the dies on the bead roller are 2 inches in diameter that is about 6.28 inches per revolution or 1.2 inches a second.

LOL. Have I impressed you with how much high school math this old man could come up with?

I wonder if I'm right. Ask me after Thanksgiving.

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Math ! !

I taught apprentices a few years and kids today don't have very good math skills.
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I AM STILL TYPING WITH 3 FINGERS, the smashed one is healing ok.
You need to drill and tap and add grease zerks to the shaft guide blocks, mine gauled the shafts after a few years use.
I like your multi use stand . I started out with every tool having its own stand but the 40 X 120 shop soon ran out of space.

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Yes, That is a great idea. I picked up on that on your earlier post. I intend to have some for when we do this over the holidays. I am glad you mentioned it. The door opener also has nylon gears. the more I can limit the drag, the longer it will last too.

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I'll be watching to see how it works. I have an old opener up in the steel rack. I have been thinking about powering my HF tubing roller.
Tubing Roller
The growing season up here is too short for my wife's blackberries and I said I could roll some conduit to make a green house cover to extend the growing season,
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I'll be watching to see how it works. I have an old opener up in the steel rack. I have been thinking about powering my HF tubing roller.
Tubing Roller
The growing season up here is too short for my wife's blackberries and I said I could roll some conduit to make a green house cover to extend the growing season,
I believe it will do well but in all honesty, I can see where the winch drive may be a better way to go.

In any event this will be very inexpensive. The only thing that cost me more than expected was the sprocket. The cost of the sprocket with shipping was just over 50 dollars. It would probably be cheaper to use a jack shaft and stay with smaller less expensive sprockets. If I wasn't trying to have everything ready for the holiday I could have looked for one surplus or used. But after searching for 3 days I went ahead and ordered this one. Hey, It's only money.

I do appreciate the input. This is one time when I don't have experience to fall back on and am just flying "by the seat of my pants."

BTW, Total investment with take out motor, chain, sprocket and hub, foot pedal so far has been 110 dollars.

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