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Old 02-04-2012, 10:06 PM
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Yep stich626 is absolutely correct.


NAPA Echlin KS-6649 for 89 Camaro with A/T and tilt.



KS-6622 same model with M/T and tilt

Also 2 different Cyl & Keys used.

KS6054 w/anti-theft


KS6641 w/o anti-theft

If you're going to that extent, you may also be interested in this:

KS6186

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but I believe that the geared actuator (included above) is what is responsible for the "reverse-action" ignition switch.

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I believe that the difference in the tilt and non tilt,
is one the rod moves downward and one the rod moves up..while moving from locked to run and start, and why the switch at the column bottom is different..
otherwise there only be 2 switches listed, automatic and stick..
the way the rod pulls/pushes on the switch is why there are 4 switchs for the same car
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I believe that the difference in the tilt and non tilt,
is one the rod moves downward and one the rod moves up..while moving from locked to run and start, and why the switch at the column bottom is different..
otherwise there only be 2 switches listed, automatic and stick..
the way the rod pulls/pushes on the switch is why there are 4 switchs for the same car

Yeah, and I'm thinking that it's the "rack and gear" on that actuator that causes the reverse direction (pull versus push) ... right?
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non tilt to tilt

Thanks 66gmc , for the info , on my car there is a cable connected to this switch which is for a non tilt , what will I have to do to connect the switch shown with the cable thats connected to the switch in my car ?
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Yeah, and I'm thinking that it's the "rack and gear" on that actuator that causes the reverse direction (pull versus push) ... right?
What about electrical connection, non tilt , tilt , splice wires from donor column ?
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This is getting awfully confusing.

Tell us what you had originally.
ie. 1987 Camaro, non-tilt ... with an auto or manual trans?

I'd think that you should use the switch that matches the column (not the car) and transmission type.

Let's put the 2 switches side-by-side here.
(and I'm going to assume that both had automatic transmissions, OK?)



KS6659 1987 Camaro w/o tilt, with A/T



KS6649 1989 Camaro WITH tilt, with A/T

I dunno ... it's late, I'm tired ... but it sure looks like the terminal layout is the same. The 1987 wiring plug *looks* like it might plug into the 1989 switch? It just needs to be rotated 180, doesn't it?

The basic design seems to be much the same, (other than the 89 switch has an additional "fence") ... just reversed for the "push versus pull" factor.

If the 1987 plug won't fit into the 1989 switch, you may have to get the 89 plug, then use a release tool to swap the terminals from the 1987 vehicle wiring into it ... OR ... cut and splice each wire seperately.

Ugh, I really don't like the idea of cutting and splicing ... do that as a last resort please!
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This is getting awfully confusing.

Tell us what you had originally.
ie. 1987 Camaro, non-tilt ... with an auto or manual trans?

I'd think that you should use the switch that matches the column (not the car) and transmission type.

Let's put the 2 switches side-by-side here.
(and I'm going to assume that both had automatic transmissions, OK?)



KS6659 1987 Camaro w/o tilt, with A/T



KS6649 1989 Camaro WITH tilt, with A/T

I dunno ... it's late, I'm tired ... but it sure looks like the terminal layout is the same. The 1987 wiring plug *looks* like it might plug into the 1989 switch? It just needs to be rotated 180, doesn't it?

The basic design seems to be much the same, (other than the 89 switch has an additional "fence") ... just reversed for the "push versus pull" factor.

If the 1987 plug won't fit into the 1989 switch, you may have to get the 89 plug, then use a release tool to swap the terminals from the 1987 vehicle wiring into it ... OR ... cut and splice each wire seperately.

Ugh, I really don't like the idea of cutting and splicing ... do that as a last resort please!
now turn the switch over and look at what what the rod moves through the detents.. if they went the same direction. there be one switch for tilt and non tilt..
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now turn the switch over and look at what what the rod moves through the detents.. if they went the same direction. there be one switch for tilt and non tilt..
What I had originally non tilt , automatic
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What I had originally non tilt , automatic
I planed to get the switch for 89 tilt column.
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now turn the switch over and look at what what the rod moves through the detents.. if they went the same direction. there be one switch for tilt and non tilt..
Yes, I think it's fairly obvious that the switches are intended for opposite direction. Looking at the brackets on both switches, they are on the same side of the switch, yet the actuator appears to enter from opposite ends.

If the non-tilt column used a cable (pull) and the tilt column uses a geared actuator (push) it makes perfect sense that GM would have had to re-design the switch to accomodate it. I still don't know what is different between A/T and M/T ... perhaps an extra terminal for a clutch interlock switch?
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Yes, I think it's fairly obvious that the switches are intended for opposite direction. Looking at the brackets on both switches, they are on the same side of the switch, yet the actuator appears to enter from opposite ends.

If the non-tilt column used a cable (pull) and the tilt column uses a geared actuator (push) it makes perfect sense that GM would have had to re-design the switch to accomodate it. I still don't know what is different between A/T and M/T ... perhaps an extra terminal for a clutch interlock switch?
e manual would have a switch on the clutch pedal, to keep you from starting in gear.. the auto has the switch "tang" on the column so it'll only start in P or N
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e manual would have a switch on the clutch pedal, to keep you from starting in gear.. the auto has the switch "tang" on the column so it'll only start in P or N
This post brought another question to mind ...
Were all the 89 Camaros with A/T column-shift? No console shift that year?
I had a look at neutral safety / clutch interlock switches ... and only see what appears to be a column-mounted N/S switch.

NS6570.

Also had ONE MORE look at Ignition switches ... with tilt has 9 terminals ... one more than the non-tilt.
You'll have to figure out what the extra circuit is for. (I suspect ground for the signal switch?)

This car must have kept the engineers up at nights!
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non tilt to tilt

Back at it after a week of honey dews , went to the body shop where the car is located replaced the switch as you guys advise ,will finish the installation , installing the rod ( a ***** to do) , and mount it tomorrow.
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