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Old 05-27-2012, 09:59 AM
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There is one more aspect of this. More and more I am buying on the Internet. It just isn't worth running around town to go to brick and mortar stores who don't have squat in stock and don't have a clerk that has a clue about what he is supposed to be selling. It gets worse every day.

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it really doesn't matter where the tools are made, because the stores don't stock $**T anyway. I went to my local Sears store to get the ONE socket I didn't already own for a project (THAT'S a whole 'nuther story...) and about 50% of the racks for individual sockets were empty.
I went to sears on friday, and the same thing. Half empty shelves, closeout prices on a few 1/4 inch swivels(which I bought) and some chinesium tools called " EVOLV" . Yeah I bought the little plier set , for my home box. I wouldnt consider buying much of anything else.Nor plan to. I have craftsman in my " home " box , my work box is 90% snap on, with a few matco Items, and a few craftsman pieces. I ditched all the MAC stuff years ago, after they hosed me with there credit scheme by selling my account to GE Capitol corp.
Instant credit card rates. Just more wall street goodness by some pencil pushing hoser.Dont get me started.
EVOLV must mean Evolve or evolving...into what ....well...... more
It wont be good, you can bet on it.

OH and I did buy a Crescent brand crescent wrench, but even they had a chinese version setting there next to the "good" ones.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:07 AM
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Yep John, I am a big advocate of the private owned business. I VERY seldom go to a chain restaurant and always go to the local hardware store before any chain. But I too find myself buying stuff on the net because of the connivence. It's hard not to and I have a LOT at my finger tips just a few miles from my home so I can imagine that guy in Wakini Kansas, the net is the place to go.

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Old 05-27-2012, 10:18 AM
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I went to sears on friday, and the same thing. Half empty shelves, closeout prices on a few 1/4 inch swivels(which I bought) and some chinesium tools called " EVOLV" . Yeah I bought the little plier set , for my home box. I wouldnt consider buying much of anything else.Nor plan to. I have craftsman in my " home " box , my work box is 90% snap on, with a few matco Items, and a few craftsman pieces. I ditched all the MAC stuff years ago, after they hosed me with there credit scheme by selling my account to GE Capitol corp.
Instant credit card rates. Just more wall street goodness by some pencil pushing hoser.Dont get me started.
EVOLV must mean Evolve or evolving...into what ....well...... more
It wont be good, you can bet on it.

OH and I did buy a Crescent brand crescent wrench, but even they had a chinese version setting there next to the "good" ones.
Do you have an Orchard Supply Hardware in your area? They carry Craftsmen tools and you don't have to go to the mall (I will ALWAYS look for a way to get out of that!).

My problem with MAC was the pee poor service by our MAC dealer, OMG he was HORRIBLE. The first time I walked on the truck I saw that not ONE SINGLE set was complete. I had never been on a truck like that. Not a single wrench, drill, socket, screwdriver set, not a single one (no kidding, I hunted for one) was complete! He had sold off singles from every single one. I walked off the truck and thought "This guy is going out of business and won't be back next week". I was wrong, this was how he did business and his truck looked exactly the same every time he came the next few years. Now I haven't seen him in a year or so and he probably finely folded.
My Matco dealer, he is the BEST. I told him this the other day and was like all "GARSH". He came and took over a route buying the truck and all 20 years ago when I had my shop. He was a total green horn having very little knowledge in auto repair. He must have ran into a few bucks and went and bought a franchise and that was his new career. He has really stepped up to the plate and became the best damn tool guy I have ever seen. I wish they all were like him. He will research something for you like when I complained about my 1/4" air ratchet being noisy. He was back in the next week with a muffler for it, installed it for me, wham problem solved.

The Snap On guy is somewhere in the middle, he's ok, but damn as the "Tool truck" business changed, again, with the cheapie tools trying to compete. So where you once KNEW that you were getting the best of the best when you walked on the truck......now, who knows.

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chinese tools...........

I had an account at NAPA.when i had my business repairing fiberglass boats,theyre tools and equipment were first rate (15 years ago) they suck now,i dont know the percentage,but,most of the stuff i wanted to buy,was made in china,especially electric switches,and such....+
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I was a factory rep for NAPA in the late nineties and saw the direction they were going, larger retail displays, heading right down the AutoZone-McParts store mentality.

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Now you have opened up a can of worms Brian. When is the last time any of you dealt with a really good parts man or even walked into a good independent parts store. I have an Advanced Auto, Auto Zone, and Oreilly's near me. The best parts person of all of them is a lady at O'reily's. She and her husband used to own a garage so she knows the difference between a spark plug and an injector but more importantly....... she cares. Charlotte will get the book out if the computer doesn't list it. It is all about attitude and a desire to serve the customer. Not much of that around anymore. End of sermon

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Napa Auto Parts...........

M & H auto parts,NAPA,In Fort Lauderdale.Fla,had the best countermen ive ever seen,John would know the parts # and application,without looking in the book, the owners TRAINED their people,the cut rate places,dont bother to train...
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NAPA here also, decent parts, Gilbert the counter guy is incredible, he goes the extra mile for everyone. No McParts store there, they are independently owned and you have to find the good one to deal with.
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I am a Boilermaker (retired) and anyone who blames this outsourcing on unions is a dupe of the rich. The fact is the non union sector started buying imported crap tools like clesent wlenches and vice glips before the guys we worked for ever did. We used to refuse to use non union tools and we were safer for it. Non union contractors drove down wages and the the poorer paid workers have no choice but to shop non union at Wally mart. Go union!
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I am a Boilermaker (retired) and anyone who blames this outsourcing on unions is a dupe of the rich. The fact is the non union sector started buying imported crap tools like clesent wlenches and vice glips before the guys we worked for ever did. We used to refuse to use non union tools and we were safer for it. Non union contractors drove down wages and the the poorer paid workers have no choice but to shop non union at Wally mart. Go union!
X2, I see it in the construction industry everyday.
It is greed today, everyone wants to be rich...now, at others expense.
When I was growing up, people that started a small business worked their *** off, they work hard at getting the business going, they contributed the manual/physical labor. Today, you start a small business by hiring minimum wage workers.
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union=less total cost

I have worked in 3 unions in my lifetime, for a total of 7 years. Hotel, Restaurant, etc, in Las Vegas back when the Mafia controlled Vegas, there was lots of corruption everywhere then,
The Carpenters Union, they have a very good apprentice program, and excellent training and Most Skilled trades unions do too. Who do you want building your bridges, doing your electrical or plumbing, or doing the tech stuff in your hospital? In California the state construction projects, bridges roads Schools etc , are done by union Contractors on time, with less total cost, less mistakes than non un-trained non union contractors
and the UAW, Gm got in trouble because they were just like congress, promising money to pay wages with money they did not have, Ford builds pickups in 19 hours with Union workers, Toyota takes 25 hours to build a comparable truck, FORD"s LABOR Cost is LESS. Most union workers getting government paychecks aren't worth their wages, No training, no real world Skills, a high school kid can learn their job in 15 minutes
The only thing I agree with president OBOZO on is The exorbant pay in a lot of companies for management that has ruined america running us into the ground,
AND politicians should have their pay cut for getting us in the mess we are in. YOU CAN fire them IN November.
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Remember the "good ole days" when everything was Made in Japan and everyone complained about that too.

You can't blame China. You have to focus the problem on corporate greed, stockholders, and CEO's making the $9 million salary each year. As consumers, our hands are tied and we are getting fed **** sandwiches at every meal. To a CEO, a consumer isn't nothing but a dumb hillbilly.
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Remember the "good ole days" when everything was Made in Japan and everyone complained about that too.

You can't blame China. You have to focus the problem on corporate greed, stockholders, and CEO's making the $9 million salary each year. As consumers, our hands are tied and we are getting fed **** sandwiches at every meal. To a CEO, a consumer isn't nothing but a dumb hillbilly.
In some cases, in others there are choices. Support the one that supports the workers and economy here.
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I heard Craftsman will now be changing their name to Chinaman! I know it's in poor taste but we can thank our CEOs for the Outsourcing of America.
It is too bad that we Americans buy overseas stuff. Thats how it is supported. Just like the drug trade.

Buy American Keep Americans working.

The guy that makes the floor mats has the right idea.
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