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Old 01-07-2006, 09:49 AM
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all the progress picturs that have been posted on the HAMB are now uploaded to my web space

http://www.filefarmer.com/spadfarmer/Tbucket/

i also aquired a second set of building plans that are much more in depth, so i should be able to move along a bit quicker now

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Bucket Plans

Hey Low Roller.how 'bout Shooting The Plans My
My Way .tryin' To Decide Between A Bucket & A C-cab.
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still working things out, i just finaly managed to locate a decent set of body measurements, up untill a few days ago i was just guessing at things

ill get back to making patterns as soon as i can man

hit up the link above, it should work now that i fixed it, should give you some idea what the plans should look like when im done

i have finalized the "classic" and "sparky" side views, as seen below
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the frame layout for sparky, pieces are in order front to rear, with the ends labeled a, b , c ect. this label system will be set up so that the letters are "inside the frame rail" so that if you actualy cut the pieces out as patterns, their order is still easy to understand and transfer to the steel parts
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Have you looked at any other frames? Check out http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/asp...tLargeView.htm

Even simpler: http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/asp...tLargeView.htm

Also see: http://www.tperformance.com/street_r..._t_bucket_kit/

and: http://www.tperformance.com/street_r..._t_bucket_kit/

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http://www.tperformance.com/street_r...ucket_kits.cfm

Notice there is a simple "Z" at the back. Two welds is it. The fewer welds, the stronger it will be -- the less likely there will be a bad weld or failure due to heat. It won't take as long to build either. KISS is usually better. This might be similar to the previous design, but can't be patented.

Drawings can be copyrighted, but the ideas that are in common use can't. you don't need to be that different. A copyright on a drawing of some public or common use item can't be duplicated, but another drawing can be made with minor changes (as minor as rotation, or different notes) and it's fine -- as long as it's common items. I can make a drawing of a car out on the street and copyright that drawing, but that doesn't mean someon else can't draw the same car in the same location. It just can't be a duplicate of mine, or has to be proven to be original. If we are both exacting artists who draw/paint in near photographic realism (I know a couple air brush artists who do just that), the drawings could look identical.
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yea, i know, those are the plans for sparky, which is ment to be super lowand have the space to bolt in a 4 link at the same time

the plans for the "classic design (below) are going to be much simpler

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think i have the front suspension for sparky nailed down. its not as easy as it looks to get everything to fit and (seemingly) work well together

i tried to convince a friend of mine to build a T-bucket this summer, but he wants to do an AWD import of some sort ... bastard...

the design ive decided to go with has frame horns that extend upwards to mount the coilovers, which could then easily have a headlight bar incorperated into the design for some extra support
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AWD T? It can be done if you bring it up about 6" from what the front height in the "Classic" design. Would take some creative work with the radiator, left side exhaust, steering column, and floor. Move the radiator out in front of the axle to both hide the diff and provide clearance. Engine may have to be offset to the right a little, and would probably be better if it's an in-line four or six. Well, by the time you do all this it's not really a T any more, but a lengthend nose "Track T" type body would look good on one. The radiator could be tilted back over the front axle -- that would look better.

To get it lower something more like an inverted A frame would likely work better -- like the American Underslung I mentioned earlier. Get a Jeep Cherokee 4.0L for parts and you'd be all set! I think the transfer case can be clocked on those to bring it more to the side (not as low), but not sure. Might take a custom T-case to trans adapter. The only problem I see with that is the floor would have to be raised to clear the front driveshaft right under the accelerator. Under the seat isn't to much of a problem, the seat would just sit directly on the floor. You can always raise the whole floor and sit nearly straight legged in it... Something for your friend to consider! Make it look kind of like Cboys twin I-beam rig. With a straight six I think and underslung chassis could be built to sit that low, with the caveat that the body would look that low, but have a higher floor as described above.
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no no .. i was trying to talk him into a rear wheel drive T ... none of this awd conversion crap for me ... heck no .....
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Keep on keeping on

Low roller,
Keep up the good work. I understand what it is that you are trying to do and it seems that your quest is not totally understood by some. Yes it would be easier to buy the plans for $25 and yes it would be easier to buy a kit but lost is the true spirit of hot rodding in this. I'm very sure that the rodding masters did not have the benefit of a kit. What ever happened to community and trial and error.
Please! continue what you are doing. In a world where everything comes at a cost it is refreshing to hear that someone still gets the true spirit of the internet and what it first stood for, sharing of information and communication.

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lowroller,
how are the plans for the frame coming?any thing i can do to help?shoot me a reply.anxious to here how things are going.
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which set of frame plans do you want ? "classic: or "sparky" ?
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if it aint too much trouble i would like both sets of plans.thanks
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I get the idea, and agree with it. I was just suggesting looking at other frames and copying some of the basics. A simple frame is just that -- the idea or design is not patentable or protected, just the actual drawing on paper is copyrighted. You can go measure a frame out yourself from something that is available to the general public and draw it out, especially f it's been in "common use" for decades, like a 1960s T bucket frame, especially a modified original. You can't go measure a commercially available frome and get by with it, but you can view photos and incorporate those ides into your own design. Someone would have to prove you had access to a frame ot measure if you happened to have some of the same measurements. Because of the standardization of many parts it's inevitable that some will be the same.

I hope options for a traditional, standard T cross spring axle is incorporated in the final plans as well as the coil over front end. But that should be a simple mod.
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