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Old 02-09-2007, 03:07 PM
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Thanks again, Dan. You sure are a great help, Bro'.

So ... if I understand correctly, you are *not* sandwiching your clips between two panels, right? But I thought those clips would show through the foam and leather if there wasn't a panel burying them - not so? See, that's another thing that was turning me off about panel clips; the added thickness (not to mention work involved) in making two panels just to hide the clips.

The clips you're using and the way you've described the application makes me feel more optimistic ... I mean, it sounds like they're easy to put in; get out; adjust, etc.

PS - Hey, Brian. You're cool man ... we're just all sharing what we're familiar with and learning about what we aren't familiar with. That's what these threads are for, eh?
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Old 02-09-2007, 09:04 PM
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Brian: To tell you the truth, when I was talking about doing seats with Velcro and Gorilla glue, I was trying to be funny. Obviously I failed to put that across. I sometimes come on too strong in my opinions, but I respect your opinion (and everyone else's) too. I apologized because I know that I can be too one-sided at times (O.K. .....most of the time) I do not say often enough that what I say in these posts is my own personal opinion based on 35 years of experience. Please know that if someone builds a better mousetrap I am the first to try it, and, if it's an improvement, the last to stop using it until there's a better way. I loved black waterboard until I tried ABS and PVC foamboard, now they are my favorites. There are still places where I prefer black waterboard, but not for door panels. You are totally right about Velcro, if there was a foolproof way to attach it to metal that would withstand changes in heat and cold. I told everyone about super adhesive Velcro, which I have used with great success on perfectly smooth, painted metal. Unfortunately, perfectly smooth painted metal is not what you'll find under the door panels on any car. There's no hard feelings with me,EVER, no matter what is said here.
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Alan: No, you would not have to double up on the panel board. The clips are so easy to install with the method I described that even I can do it. The offset clips will not show through unless you use a padding, whether it's closed cell or open cell foam, that is ultra thin. Even that can be avoided by not gluing the padding down directly over the clips. I can't believe that even if you used 1/8" closed cell foam that the clips would telegraph through with the heavy leather over it. If you use a 1/8" panel board with 1/4" closed cell foam over it you should be home free. That would make the whole thing 3/8" thick, not counting the leather. There again, do a small mock-up to find out. Then you will know for sure.
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By the way Dan sweet 47 5 window, My wife likes the late 40's fords and chevys, she wants me to build a 4dr sedan (3 kids easy in and out),but every time you find one, even in pitiful shape they want 2arms and a leg for it. The price is right on the project I'm fixin to start on 54 ford 2dr sedan. FREE, Just gotta rent a truck and trailer and go get it back in my home town MOBILE,AL. 350mile round trip , Brian P.S. There are no hard feelings here either, sometimes it's hard to read the tone in these post. I'll try to not get my panties in twist next time!!LOL
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Thanks for the instruction, Dan ... I'm diggin' it!

Hey, Brian - Words on a computer screen sure do come across a whole lot different then they would in person - that's a fact!

Wow. A '54 Ford 2-door ... sigh ... that's what I would love to have as my next project -- and a ragtop would really send me over the edge!
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By the way Dan sweet 47 5 window, My wife likes the late 40's fords and chevys, she wants me to build a 4dr sedan (3 kids easy in and out),but every time you find one, even in pitiful shape they want 2arms and a leg for it. The price is right on the project I'm fixin to start on 54 ford 2dr sedan. FREE, Just gotta rent a truck and trailer and go get it back in my home town MOBILE,AL. 350mile round trip , Brian P.S. There are no hard feelings here either, sometimes it's hard to read the tone in these post. I'll try to not get my panties in twist next time!!LOL
Brian thanks for the compliment, the owner was really happy with it too. The 54 looks a lot like the 53, right? Sounds like a great project. Can't wait to see pictures. I just bought a 1950 Dodge Meadowbrook that has four doors. I drove it home from 250 miles away 60 miles an hour up the interstate. Purred like a kitten all the way. Interior is super for it's age. Body's solid, but needs help. It has a straight six and fluid drive. I want to put a new interior in it real soon, but you know what they say about the plumber's own pipes.......they never get fixed!
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And "The shoemaker's son has no shoes."
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The 54 looks a lot like the 53, right?
Dan the 52-54 all pretty much the same body, just different grill and chrome pkg's and dashes changed in 54. The 54 is the first year OHV Y-block,first year ball-joint suspension. I wish I could drive this one back but it's a basket case.Getting it with a 239Y-block that was running 12yrs ago when we pulled it out & ford-o-matic trans was shifting, also getting a 59' 292Y-Block out of a truck to eventually build.
Horvath A few years back my brother-in-law (R.I.P) and I had a few cans of liquid intelligence in us and decided to cut the roof off of a 54 ford beater we had(it really looked like a convert). It had fiberglassed floors, high back 69 camaro seats mounted on blocks of wood(seat belts "we don need no stinking seat belts"),Straight pipes out the back and the gas tank was out of some 70's GM car strapped down in the trunk with nylon ratchet straps. Fun Fun Fun, got lots of looks everywhere we went. I May have some pic's around of it If I find them I'll post them. Older and wiser now.......... Brian
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Too cool, man.

When I was 17, I had a '54 Ford 2-door Ranch Wagon ... put a new engine in it ... drove it out to Los Angeles and back to Jersey ... I loved that car ... had it till I was 22; got married and sold it. Man, I *still* miss that speedometer! I just loved the way it rose up above the dash with that window in the back-side -- that's got to be the coolest design ever. I've never seen another one anywhere since then! Can't find one on the web ... nothin' ... they must all be gone. Anyway, that's why I want a '54 Ford 2-door ragtop as my next project.

The '54 Chevy pickup you see in my avatar is my daily driver. I can't stand anything "new" ... and I detest seatbelts - I don't care what anyone says.
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I saw one 3 years ago for sale at crusin the coast. (Big car show in south mississippi till Katrina anyway) I saw one for sale in jackson MS. at a small car show (it was sweet too) he was asking 14G for it. The 54 2dr wagon is really a cool ride and yes they are difficult to find but they are out there. I love the speed-o-meter too. I am totally ready to be working on my 54!!! I'm like a kid at Christmas I can't wait!!! Brian
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seatbelts dont smell...

Horvath...im liking the button idea. some designs look better molded with no hardware, other designs look better when you can see where it was fastned...not the actual fastner itself, just WHERE it was fastned. i dont know what your panels design is but if you think it would look good showing WHERE it was fastned, you might want to try a cabinet maker or perhaps you can use some of the buttons like on old recliners (you know in a diamond design on the front side of the back part (haha it makes sense to me!!!)
think of something smallish that you like the look of. my idea is to use drum lugs (or similar) as my fastner or fastner covers.
im new to this so you all might think im a bit "not with it" but this all sounds good in my head, so im gonna go for it eventually. if i hate it...i'll change it! i really do love this site!!!

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Hey Jason -- I haven't gotten around to my door panels yet, although I've been designing them in my head for the past three years and in that process, I've thought about making my own buttons:
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Horvath...im liking the button idea. some designs look better molded with no hardware, other designs look better when you can see where it was fastned...not the actual fastner itself, just WHERE it was fastned. i dont know what your panels design is but if you think it would look good showing WHERE it was fastned, you might want to try a cabinet maker or perhaps you can use some of the buttons like on old recliners (you know in a diamond design on the front side of the back part (haha it makes sense to me!!!)
think of something smallish that you like the look of. my idea is to use drum lugs (or similar) as my fastner or fastner covers.
im new to this so you all might think im a bit "not with it" but this all sounds good in my head, so im gonna go for it eventually. if i hate it...i'll change it! i really do love this site!!!

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Sometimes that's the best way to do it. If it doesn't cost a fortune to try something you can always scrap it and start over.........If you only knew how many times we had the vent windows in and out of our 54 ford (the car was already in final paint) till we got them to fit even close to right!!! Good ole trial and error.... As long as it's not expensive I say go for it. Brian
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Check out this link for hardware...

http://www.interior-supply.com/automotive.shtml

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