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Old 09-06-2003, 12:55 PM
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crown for king of the muscle cars

this is an opinionated subject, who is king of the intermidiate
supercars. the chevy chevelle LS6 454 was 450 hp beast, with its
4 bolt mains and 11:25:1 compression. 1/4 in a click more then
13 seconds. the buick stage 1 was one of the most underrated
cars of that era. it can easily keep up with the LS6. it was one
of true great sleepers. what about the old 442 W-30. it had that
monster 455 and famous fresh air induction it can give any muscle car a run for its money. the 426 HEMI, the name says
it all, it was one of the most, if not the most famous engines of
the legendary muscle car era. it was able to launch almost any
mopar into the 13 second bracket, especially when wrapped
into E-body sheetmetal. and ford was making the brutal
BOSS 429 mustang to qualify for NASCAR. it was very under-
cammed and still ran in the 13's. Pontiac started the midsize
madness with the best selling true musclecar ever, the feared
and revered GTO, a true screamer, especially with the 389
tripower, 400 HO and RAMAIR and the RAMAIR 3 and 4.
the mustang BOSS 351 was the probably the last of the
limeted production, high compression gross horsepower rated
musclecars. 0-60: 5.8 seconds; 1/4 ET: 13.8 seconds.
in your own opinion, which musclecar should be crowned
"greatest of all time"( it can be any muscle car like,old or new, you don't have to choose the cars i mentioned above, that was
just to give the reader an insight if they dont know the history
of the cars. post your opinion, thank you.)
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Old 09-06-2003, 07:53 PM
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Did you make that all up or is it a quote from some car magazine?



I would vote for the 427 Cobra, the car not the mustang. Shelby made some great cars but nothing compares to that 427 Cobra!!




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gotta love the cobra

great car todd, they are probably the greatest sports/muscle
car ever. performance: 0-60: 4.2; 1/4 ET:12.18@112 mph.
as for what i wrote, its from sheer memory that i remember
from reading different muscle car books in the past.

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Hmmm...I'm afraid you forgot the hottest and roddest muscle car of them all. That Corvette Stingray, also known as the Shark. An early Stingray would own anything put in front of her. A 427 (L88), Chevy had to under rate the power for the public just because they didn't have the legal rights to share the REAL power of the early 427.

That, my friend, is a muscle car.

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I'm a Chevy man through & through, but I used to have a neighbor with an old Boss 351 Mustang, and I've always wanted one of those. To me they were the Ford Version of the 302 Z28, except for a whole lot rarer. They were built for the same basic reason as the 302 Z28's too.
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Silvershark, the '69 L88 Corvette...........
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true. the L-88 engine offered 67-69 is a truely awesome engine had aluminum heads and was tokenrated at 430@5200 RPM. the true output, however is around 560hp@6500rpm.they are the most sought after vettes. only 220 or so were built in there 3 year run. there was, in 1969, a very rare option for the corvette and camaro. this option is known as RPO Z-L1, only 69 camaros and 2 corvettes were built with this option with an aluminum heads and block also token rated at 430 horsepower. both engines had a 12:5:1 compression ratio. as for the B0SS 351
i own of these and they were built only in 1971, the 302 you are
thinking of is a 69 or 70 BOSS 302, those were the only years
the BOSS 302 was built, however, you are right in the fact that
they were built to compete chevy's camaro z/28 302 for trans-am
racing.
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I've always dreamed of the 69 427 ZL 1 Camaro. A while back I was reading a magazine that said Chevrolet plans to build about 600 ZL 1 crate engines with 454 cubes, fuel injection, timing computers and all ,for only $20G. I guess I'll just have to dream on....
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. as for the B0SS 351
i own of these and they were built only in 1971, the 302 you are
thinking of is a 69 or 70 BOSS 302, those were the only years
the BOSS 302 was built, however, you are right in the fact that
they were built to compete chevy's camaro z/28 302 for trans-am
racing.
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I didn't reference the Boss 302 at all, It had nothing to do with what I was talking about. I also knew more than one person with Real Boss 302's, but the mystique was all about the Boss 351 in my book. If I would have thought more about it, I would have gone with the Ford 427 Cammer engine, but it wasn't really used in production. The only 302 I was talking about was the Chevy 302. The GM 302's weren't built to be reliable street motors, they were built so that GM could meet quota's. Same with the Boss 351's they were probably one of the worse street engines around. It was a true race engine put in a mustang body.
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Silvershark, the '69 L88 Corvette...........
Exactly. Nothing could touch this Vette.

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the ford 427 SOHC is an extreamely rare type of engine. some
historions say that ford factory installed 50 cammers or so into
their production cars. they dont have any documentation to
back it up though. the cammers get their names from their 6 feet
of timing chain and it puts forth a distinctive sound due to that. the BOSS 351 is actually a great street engine except for the skyhigh compression ratio. the BOSS 302 engine was the
disagreeable engine on the street. as with the BOSS 429, the BOSS 302 was a true race engine in stang. it suffered badly from low-end torque in the low rpm range. they virtually had no torque below 4300 rpm.


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Sounds like it is straight out of a book to me. Good article.

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reading expands the mind

thats where i learned all that i know.
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There is no reason to post stuff that we can read in a book, post hands on knowledge and it will make better reading,
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i dont rip apart blocks, i am not on that level yet. iam 16 where
else besides car shows can i this stuff(this site doesnt count, i've
only been here a day and a half) and most of people there dont
even know that much about their own cars! all i know is from
sheer memory, i dont have my books anymore.


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