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Old 02-02-2010, 08:44 AM
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Ok, first off I am no custom painter, painted all my life (mostly for a living) but only done a little custom work.

But this is how I see your questions, first off, forget the "Pearl" part. You aren't going to get much of an "effect" fading a "Pearl". Now, if after you do a fade job using candies if you were to apply a pearl over the whole thing, that is fine. But fading a pearl isn't going to do much for you.

On the base, the lighter the base the more vibrant the candy, and the harder it is to spray without mottling or uneven colors.

If you get a HOK color chart you will see what these candies look like applied over the light or dark bases, VERY different colors are produced.

And on using "regular" paints added to clears, don't count on it. Most bases are not transparent enough. I have tried it, even with "low strength" toners that you could see thru as you poured it, when added to a clear mid coat they were HORRIBLE, all cloudy, just pure crap. A REAL candy is recommended from this non custom painter.

This is what you MUST do to pull this off. Go by a bodyshop and ask for some old panels to test your ideas on. If they are like where I work, there is a big bin full of nice sheetmetal with nice OEM paint, super easy to prep and do some testing.

Buy some candy, some bases and spray it out, see what you get. You are jumping into pretty dangerous waters. What you WANT may not be what you are capible of. But that is what the test panels are for, give it a try and see what you can do.

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Gene Winfield is one of the masters of the fade in- fade out paint jobs. He has a huge following at the HAMB. He's given paint classes as well as metal working classes, google him, you may find a ph.# to give him a call. Personally, I would give House of Color a shout, they can help you as well as anyone. I do think doing this over black would be your best bet as you would need less coats, and have less chances of mottling, as Brian says. Be prepared to finesse the colors, as in mixing a blend , darkening or lightening the color as you move back. I have noticed that position of the gun is important, close to the work will be a more defined line, away will create a fogging look. Practice on some panels. Maybe ask a motorcycle painter, they do cool things all the time in a small area, less room for error.
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Thanks a bunch just so happens that i do a lot of Rc cars so ive been spraying small areas quiet frequently. I have done a couple of fade jobs in the past in both base coats white and silver but have never had the two finished project together to see which came out better. Im not afraid of the paint scheme at all i would just like some feed back on color schemes. I guess i can go look at a color chart but what fun would that be? what do you think of this:burgandy fade to candy apple on a black background?
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I think what you will need to do is shoot your black base as an overall, then start to build your red over it starting at the bottom then do a reduction in red by adding a little black, then reduce the that some more until you have your faded color into the black. By reduction, I mean a red/black mix, cutting the red each time with a little black. Then you could topcoat with the clear/pearl mix. Although if it was me, I think I would have the pearl in the paint and not the clear. I've seen too many pearl/clears that seem to lose the depth over a pure clear. I know what I'm thinking in my head but putting in type might not quite sound right.
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I have 2 friends of mine that were painters at southern comfort before they shut down one of them help me do a fade on a 90 chevy it was black on top and purple on the bottom its not that hard to do if you keep your colors close like dark red and black the way we done it was to paint the black below the door handle then sprayed the purple up to the handle then came back with the black and over reduced the black then turn the paint gun down aimed at the ground and down the side of the truck then go from front to back I had to go over it 3 times to get the fade look right
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Flat black the whole car in primer, then use a brush and paint in white Jolly Rogers on the hood.

Voila!
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My 69 Bonneville is in the paint shop now for a fade job,, its gonna fade from candy black on the bottom to graphite on the top,,
the painter said he was going to shoot the whole car in Graphite, then start the fade on the bottom and work up,,

He painted my bike so I trust what he does with no questions asked,, probably the best painter I have seen,, and I.ve seen a bunch


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You could use silver and gold flake base for the candy and blend the basses (fog) that way you shoot the candy red and it looks like two different shades of red fogging together blending well Ive done that many times and is an excellent affect Metelflake Brand, House of Color and PPG are very good, and my favorites! You can also add different color dry pearls to your candy red to change the effect and it would blend together nicely and pop When the sun hits em!! Ive also done skulls and effects with flip flop pearls that are invisible until you walk around the car and they just pop out, as the light angle changes!

How much of this kind of painting have you done?

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factory fade

I remember seeing a Ford truck come off the end of the assembly line, the hood didn't match one side of the body, hoods were painted on a different paint line, The color code was chalked on the front of the radiator support and one of the painters mis read the code. It was a metalic Bronze and metalic brown, It had a good blend on the tailgate, cab and roof.
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Hi mustangmatt89,
Just so happens I used to paint custom fades and it is not as easy as you would think, but it also can be made easy to understand.
I'm not sure you would want me to explain it all here but I will tell you now
that the basic method requires at least 12 differant colors you can mix your self and a good understanding of stableized toners, don't know what they call that now. Yes you can use pearl and differant color pearls and toners to blend between colors and between certain distances of the fade you can also flip the whole fade to a solid color. Just to give you an idea.
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Fade paint job belong on conversion vans and outrageous 40s 50s customs
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You probably know this already, or at least I hope you do. I always start with the dark color first then spray then next lightest making sure I overlap the dark color at least 10 inches and make it lighter toward the dark one. Depending on what you use at times you can shoot a lighter color 1 coat over the entire dark color and continue this with all the colors. This way you will get a smooth transition and some color change between the colors. House of Kolors is the paint for me although PPG makes some very good multi coat paints.
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best way to fade the way you want

if you are going black to red or the flip of that it would be a better look doing the pearl over both like a red pearl that would give you like a red fliping to cherry look just black to red would no go so well other wise because any pearl you put in the black would not flip as good as you would be after the red to black with the pearl red over them both would give you the best flip just watch the fade so when you are doing it it is a slow fade not a red stop black start
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