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coustom air tube info
Very good job. Very professional as to story line, pictures, technical content. I am impressed....russ
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holy cow, I completely forgot about this. I have to post the second half.
I tried posting the second half of this here, but nothing showed up. However, when I originally posted this thread nothing showed up immediately either. Do the moderators need to look it over and approve it first? I read the forum rules and dont recall anything about that. If they need to look it over I dont mind at all, I just dont want to post this twice thinking that it didn't "take" the first time. Last edited by TheVis; 02-02-2007 at 07:51 AM. |
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We started the mock-up with an arbitrary piece of tubing extending from the throttle body toward the fenderwell. When I say “arbitrary,” I mean we found it on the floor and it looked like a good enough place to start. It just so happened that this piece was the right length, and it was used in the final design.
After more staring and head scratching we pulled out a J-bend and looked at what sort of angles we needed to get through the fenderwell gracefully and then to where we wanted the airfilter. Frank and I have cobbled together a few exhaust systems from mandrel bends. And I wish I could say we had some sort of beautiful measuring device or technique that we use to determine where to cut that J-bend to get the right angle. But I’ve found the best technique is to take your best guess based on what you see (any visual aids you can use for reference are helpful too), and plan on not getting it right the first few times. So that’s what we did. We cut out a bend, test fit it, massaged it a bit with a file and tack welded it on. We got lucky and our first set of bends were on the money. We used a bolt conveniently located in the fender area as a mounting point to hold the tube rigid. At this point it was just a matter of finishing the welds and cleaning them up. Since this would be on display in the engine compartment we ground the welds flush to give it the appearance of being made from a single piece of pipe. Which actually proved to be quite a chore. One thing you’ll find if you look at enough different mandrel bends is that they are not all created equal. In theory a mandrel bent tube will retain virtually the same cross-sectional area as a straight tube of the same size. Whereas a compression bend becomes distorted and loses some of its cross-sectional area. This makes mandrel bent exhaust and intake systems much better for high-performance applications because you can ensure a fairly consistent path with few restrictions... Not because they look nice (but that helps too). But if the machine making the mandrel bends has excessive wear or isn’t calibrated properly, the bends it produces will be of lesser quality and be slightly distorted. Whereas a properly calibrated setup will produce much nicer bends with uniform shape. In all honesty I don’t think anything short of a genuine balls-out competition application really needs those perfectly round mandrel bends. And if you’re reading this you probably don’t drive one of those. As for me, I don’t mind paying a few bucks less for sub-perfect bends. Especially when I’m buying a ton of them. My shoddy welds will probably put more restriction in an exhaust system than the slight change in cross-sectional area. But this isn’t an exhaust we’re making, this is an intake tube, and its going to be looked at with a lot more scrutiny. The mandrel bends we had were left over from an exhaust project. Their bargain-basement pricing reflected their quality, and weren’t as perfectly round as I would have liked for something that’s going to be looked at this often. They were of course more than adequate on the performance side, but they required quite a bit of finishing work to blend the transitions. Hours of grinding, filing, bondoing, sanding, primering, painting and clearcoating later we had a pretty reasonable looking intake tube. And when you consider that it was put together by a couple of hungover idiots with hacksaws and handfiles, it looks pretty freakin’ great.
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We started the mock-up with an arbitrary piece of tubing extending from the throttle body toward the fenderwell. When I say “arbitrary,” I mean we found it on the floor and it looked like a good enough place to start. It just so happened that this piece was the right length, and it was used in the final design.
After more staring and head scratching we pulled out a J-bend and looked at what sort of angles we needed to get through the fenderwell gracefully and then to where we wanted the airfilter. Frank and I have cobbled together a few exhaust systems from mandrel bends. And I wish I could say we had some sort of beautiful measuring device or technique that we use to determine where to cut that J-bend to get the right angle. But I’ve found the best technique is to take your best guess based on what you see (any visual aids you can use for reference are helpful too), and plan on not getting it right the first few times. So that’s what we did. We cut out a bend, test fit it, massaged it a bit with a file and tack welded it on. We got lucky and our first set of bends were on the money. We used a bolt conveniently located in the fender area as a mounting point to hold the tube rigid. At this point it was just a matter of finishing the welds and cleaning them up. Since this would be on display in the engine compartment we ground the welds flush to give it the appearance of being made from a single piece of pipe. Which actually proved to be quite a chore. One thing you’ll find if you look at enough different mandrel bends is that they are not all created equal. In theory a mandrel bent tube will retain virtually the same cross-sectional area as a straight tube of the same size. Whereas a compression bend becomes distorted and loses some of its cross-sectional area. This makes mandrel bent exhaust and intake systems much better for high-performance applications because you can ensure a fairly consistent path with few restrictions... Not because they look nice (but I suppose thats a nice feature too). But if the machine making the mandrel bends has excessive wear or isn’t calibrated properly, the bends it produces will be of lesser quality and be slightly distorted. Whereas a properly calibrated setup will produce much nicer bends with uniform shape. In all honesty I don’t think anything short of a genuine balls-out competition application really needs those perfectly round mandrel bends. As for me, I don’t mind paying a few bucks less for sub-perfect bends. Especially when I’m buying a ton of them. My shoddy welds will probably put more restriction in an exhaust system than the slight difference in cross-sectional area between a spot on bend and a cheap one. But this isn’t an exhaust system we’re making, this is an intake tube, and its going to be looked at with a lot more scrutiny. The mandrel bends we had were left over from an exhaust project. Their bargain-basement pricing reflected their quality, and weren’t as perfectly round as I would have liked for something that’s going to be looked at this often. They were of course more than adequate on the performance side, but they required quite a bit of finishing work to blend the transitions. Hours of grinding, filing, bondoing, sanding, primering, painting and clearcoating later we had a pretty reasonable looking intake tube. And when you consider that it was put together by a couple of hungover idiots with hacksaws and handfiles, it looks pretty freakin’ great.
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Ok, whatever I did the first time I tried to post the rest of this, I managed to not do this time. So, there you have it. Hope somebody finds this useful in one respect or another.
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EXCELLENT.
Beautiful job, and well presented. This is the kind of stuff I really like to see. One question. What are you using to keep the rain water out of the air filter?? Does the inner fender panel still fit?? You ought to be making these for sale, on a specialty basis, since I don't think there are too many SC Cavaliers around. Keep up the good work. I will be glad to see your stuff anytime. |
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As far as any sort of inner fender panels, I believe what you see is what you get on this one. As far as rain goes, this isn't Franks only means of transportation, so I dont think he's worried about rain too much with this setup. As far as selling them, he's gotten alot of interest over at J-body.org where he regularly posts, and we've tossed the idea around of making up a handful of them in aluminum to sell. But as I'm temporarily in Switzerland, I dont have any projects on my plate right now. He may get something going while I'm gone, who knows.
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Yeah, if there's one thing Frank can do, its "concentrate"
![]() Just to be fair, and so there's no confusion: here's my ugly mug. I was snappin' the camera for most of those pics.
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