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As I said earlier I don't have much to offer but I do have this. The very basic of drawing flames is about all I have to offer. But when we are talking about "basics" there is nothing more basic than drawing the flames right? Here you go.

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That is a pretty good "confidence builder". Draw them enough to find the style you want to do... and then lay it out and adjust it! :-)

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For someone just starting out my example of drawing sure isn't "scary" LOLOL.

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Ok, how about this glitter I saw at the craft store today. It sure as heck looks exactly the same as HOK flake but a lot less money. Is this do-able?

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I've never used this type of "Glitter", I've used house of Kolor, but it should spray the same, it's what they are made of that I would be concerned about but, if they're cheap...give it a try...just need that needle and tip that will let the metal flake leave the gun. I'd probably check to see how it reacts to solvents. I've seen some of those that are made with a plastic....they melt before you can use them on a pint job. I'm sure that Jay would be able to give you a better run down.

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I agree! I don't know if I can give any better answers. I've never tried it.



My first question would be... "Will it fade in the sun?"

They may use cheap pigments to color it, since it will probably be inside all of it's life.

That would not be good, if your red flake paint job turned pale pink!!! :-o



As you brought up... another question might be, "Will it be attacked by paint solvent?"

Again, it may not have been made to prevent "melting" from the solvent's action. That could be a real mess!


I am not saying these things are true. Just raising questions about the reasons for a big difference in price.
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I was wondering about these...http://www.rothmetalflake.com/flake/...tal_flake.html
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I was wondering about these...Monster Metal Flake Page
I have only used Metalflake and HOK brands, but at least we know these are made for automotive use.
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I have only used Metalflake and HOK brands, but at least we know these are made for automotive use.
Thanks Jay... I want to do a BIG flake on the C-Cab when I'm ready,, I was able to sit and talk with Lil ''Daddy" Roth about them a little... Seen a car he did with them.. Looked to be some nice flakes..Really funny guy too... Here's a shot with us having a little fun in the car...
Hope you don't mine me posting them here..If so let me know.. I will put them..


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That is sooooo kool! :-)

Judging by the backward scallops, he is not afraid to break out of that conservative and predictable mode... but then it's in his genes, isn't it!

Maybe we need to post some metalflake jobs. This thread should serve as an inspiration for painters to get excited, then "jump in" and create their own version of these classic themes!!!
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That is sooooo kool! :-)

Judging by the backward scallops, he is not afraid to break out of that conservative and predictable mode... but then it's in his genes, isn't it!
I had the chance to meet his daddy the year before he died,,,, And I have to say this... He is a lot like his dad.. Funny guy to sit and talk with..My wife took a bunch of pictures of us cutting up bad...I won't post all of them but here's a funny one..He does think outside the box...



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I agree! I don't know if I can give any better answers. I've never tried it.



My first question would be... "Will it fade in the sun?"

They may use cheap pigments to color it, since it will probably be inside all of it's life.

That would not be good, if your red flake paint job turned pale pink!!! :-o



As you brought up... another question might be, "Will it be attacked by paint solvent?"

Again, it may not have been made to prevent "melting" from the solvent's action. That could be a real mess!


I am not saying these things are true. Just raising questions about the reasons for a big difference in price.
That right there was all I needed to hear! My standard answer is FOLLOW THE TECH SHEETS for a reason. Anything may "work" as it rolls out the door but how will it last? Just about project we could do with paint costing what it does with our time being so valuable I would say it's worth it to buy the "real" thing to be safe.

But after being in the paint industry for a major manufacture I saw some stuff that was so wild we really don't know. There is a very real chance these flakes are made by the same company and simply put in different containers for what ever market and distributor.

But unless you know someone on the inside, it isn't worth it.

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Jay this is a paint job that I always loved.. Maybe you guy's can give us a little run down on how it's done..Thanks..

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I remember that one!!! Very bold... and very different! I love it!

I would guess that most of it is simply masked and sprayed. Not that hard to do compared to flames, and would use the same basic methods. The biggest issue would be the design.

I would draw that one up, and sort out the details before even starting.

(I like to see things first, to have a predictable outcome.) :-)
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A few 'flake jobs... just to spark the imagination. :-)

The panel truck was done with HOK Metajules. We shot a number of test panels compared to other products. Nothing else was so subtle when the light angle wasn't right... or was SOOO INTENSE when it lit up!!!

The only negative might be that you had to use a candy to give them rich color. The colored flakes would not require as much work for a rich-colored result.
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I remember that one!!! Very bold... and very different! I love it!

I would guess that most of it is simply masked and sprayed. Not that hard to do compared to flames, and would use the same basic methods. The biggest issue would be the design.

I would draw that one up, and sort out the details before even starting.

(I like to see things first, to have a predictable outcome.) :-)
I have been around this car a lot.. And look's to have some air brush work done around the edges of the openning... Very good job they did on it,,, Thought about doing something like this on my c-cab,, But think the big flakes will fit it better..
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