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Old 03-30-2013, 10:32 AM
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My wife wants a new car. I have researched some new models that she wants and a couple are only availible with CVT (Continuous Varible Transmission), like the Subaru Outback. *She won't have a manual trans for a daily driver. We have owned a Subaru Outback but that was ten years ago and it had a regular automatic. So I did a little research on CVT's, WOW, I will not own a CVT. The sales people spout mileage and driveability figures, But how many have ever rebuilt a transmission, yea, we know the answer to that. Me being a hotrodder, I have rebuilt many transmissions (glides, t350,t400, torqueflite 727, C-6 etc). But a CVT is really different, I have had snowmobiles and they are nothing more than a really complicated, electronicly controlled snowmobile power transfer design. When they fail, (and they do) it's not rebuild, but replace. This means $$$$. Not for me! Opinions?.

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Old 03-30-2013, 10:56 AM
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Chevy VOLT.
At least drive one before you roll your eyes.
Be ready for the dealer to know nothing. As usual.

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back in the 80s when subaru brought out CVTs they were also annoying to drive.Audi has made then a lot nicer and 30 years of advance has also made them better.Let the wife drive a soob and see if she likes it.Then discuss the costs and the special oils required for oil changes and see if she likes spending money like that? Best way to increase mileage is with better driving
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:41 PM
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i drove a nissan sentra with one on a 4 hr trip felt like it slips all the time the parts are really high to fix also
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worst "new-ish" car I ever drove was a forrester non turbo...it was appallingly slow and I almost got run over coming down an entrance ramp with the SOB floored to get to 65...and I ran out of room before I had to merge... it was a pucker inducing experience.

As as avid snowmobiler; CVTs are nothing new in concept, they're as bland as milque toast to drive in a heavy application though. I also had the dubious honor of renting a Ford 'Five Hundred' several years ago...again it was very unsettling to drive.
That car didn't have 'performance issues' but I kept waiting for it to shift and of course it never really does.

They're fine for your average commuter who hates being in control of their automobile, and driving in general, but from a performance standpoint, they're disgusting.
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:26 AM
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Guess everyone will have thier opinion, but the current trend with new cars is the more gears the better. How many you want? 5? 6? 7??? Yea, do some research and you'll find most are at least 6 speed now on the 4 cylinders - add in the lock up converter and it feels like 7. Bottom line these newer cars are having to go with all these gears to meet the mileage requirements. My wife got a new Subaru Legacy with the CVT last year and no regrets - I encouraged her to go with the CVT based on my experiance with the current crop of auto trans. Instead of the constant herky jerk of constatly shifting, it's nice and smooth and pulls steady. And also comming from ATV & snowmobile experiance - I always wondered why all vehicles didn't come with CVT?
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:01 AM
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If you trade cars every couple of years they may be ok but 2 things bother me greatly. First, they have a woven steel belt in them that basicly runs between variable pullies and second, they are not rebuildabe. The last thing I want is an automatic transmission that has a bad belt in it and costs 8000 to replace. I just sold a Nissan Quest with 264,000 miles on it. I will have to wait and see if a CVT can do that.
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most of your transmissions now aren't rebuilt by your local shop. They are turned in for a core and a reman unit is installed in its place. Hell most of your new transmissions are a sealed unit, you can't even change the fluid on your own.

As these things get more complicated, the ability to service them in an independent shop is quickly going by the wayside. I understand being worried about the belt, we used to hear a lot of that in regards to so called 'interference engines' and timing belts. I think the CVTs will last 70-80,000 miles at least.
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most of your transmissions now aren't rebuilt by your local shop. They are turned in for a core and a reman unit is installed in its place. Hell most of your new transmissions are a sealed unit, you can't even change the fluid on your own.

As these things get more complicated, the ability to service them in an independent shop is quickly going by the wayside. I understand being worried about the belt, we used to hear a lot of that in regards to so called 'interference engines' and timing belts. I think the CVTs will last 70-80,000 miles at least.
I may agree with you Autogear but to me 70-80,000 miles is absolutely totaly unacceptable. It costs 600 dollars to replace a timing belt. You won't be replacing a transmission for 8-10 times that.

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The Subie's CVT works well, but they do freewheel when you let off the gas. Sad but, Subaru is slowly phasing out the manuals, and they dropped the 4spd auto a few years ago.
Subaru touts MPG with them because if you click it into " 6th gear " manually, it gets a little better overdrive ratio than what the transmission will put out in 'drive', and they can give a slight margin better MPG than the stick versions.
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My info comes what I read in trade journals and tech sheets on CVT..

Parts are basically dealer only and are "component assemblies" only, not individual parts available.

operating pressures in CVT are in the 600 to 800 psi range
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Since I posted this thread I have been researching the CVT reliability issue. I decided against having one. The reliability of CVT's so far is hit and miss, not something I want to spend my money on. Honda still uses a standard design 5speed auto trans. We will probably be getting her a new Honda. I am not convinced the CVT is a better design, with todays manufacturing, it seems that they can build it better, but choose to build it cheaper. It sure seems that most car companies only care if their product makes out of the warranty period than long term customer satisfaction. Really sad!
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Since I posted this thread I have been researching the CVT reliability issue. I decided against having one. The reliability of CVT's so far is hit and miss, not something I want to spend my money on. Honda still uses a standard design 5speed auto trans. We will probably be getting her a new Honda. I am not convinced the CVT is a better design, with todays manufacturing, it seems that they can build it better, but choose to build it cheaper. It sure seems that most car companies only care if their product makes out of the warranty period than long term customer satisfaction. Really sad!
We bought my wife a new Honda Civic last year.. When looking for a car, one rule I had was NO CVT trans in the vehicle
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I like the mazda line better than Honda.I used to work at a port of entry,found Honda the most difficult of all the manufacturers.They claim great products but their warranty claims are tough to get any help.Honda says that the customer did something wrong,not the products fault.
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